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Old September 10 2012, 05:00 AM   #31
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Wow I think we missed this epic one..



I'm loving Adele in shipper vids.
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Old September 10 2012, 05:30 AM   #32
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I think it's good they did cut it. One reason the episode is so artistic and perfect and works so well is it focuses on Janeway and Kashyk the exclusion of everyone else. The build up and the "what's really going on?" element is not interrupted by boring meetings with the crew.
I agree. It gives the episode the tension and also the mystery of what is going on. I do love the artistry of a good mystery
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Old September 11 2012, 09:53 AM   #33
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Counterpoint/Mahler. Short but hopefully sweet.

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Old September 11 2012, 09:59 AM   #34
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Wow you used the text..that was lovely. Such a great way to do it!
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Old September 11 2012, 10:12 AM   #35
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It was too good not to use I realised watching this again that I've always found it one of most ambiguous trek eps. I guess intent is that he does deceive, but I like to read it as a double bluff, and that he goes back so he can come back and do the torpedo/wormhole thing. Yeah, maybe overcomplicating But works for me. Couple of questions though: I could swear apart from Tuvok and Vorik, there's a female science Vulcan (she's in background in later seasons). And when Kashyk comes back, he obviously knows the Vulcans and Jurot are on board so where are they when Devore return?
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Old September 11 2012, 10:15 AM   #36
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That mystery about the telepaths.. I think they just hid them in transporter stasis somewhere else. Somewhere super secret, like maybe they are in the gel packs, lol.
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Old September 11 2012, 03:55 PM   #37
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No reason they couldn't have been in one of the shuttle's transporter buffers or something I guess. Kashyk did say they were rushing this last inspection so it's possible they overlooked this... they did overlook that two shuttles were missing after all.
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Old September 11 2012, 07:22 PM   #38
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Great job on the video, lurok!

On another note, something that I've always loved about this episode are some of the unique camera angles that (to my recollection) we don't really see in other episodes. That one where Janeway is entering the briefing room to talk to Kashyk, for instance, is a great shot.
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Old September 11 2012, 10:41 PM   #39
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No I'm only monitoring this one. So yes I am spending my time with really crazy people.
Should I be "perturbed" or is this a compliment?

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Counterpoint AND Coffee

I always found it an interesting way to hold a cup. Maybe to prevent unwanted things falling into it. Or to keep it warm a little longer. But it has a clear disadvantage: You get a wet hand from the steam.
I always thought she was keeping herself from throwing it into his face!

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I'm going to freshly watch Counterpoint so I can contribute intelligently to this thread rather than my usual "omg janeway" level of posting.
"OMG Janeway!" is perfectly acceptable at all times.

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Now this isn't a very clear video but I least I found it.. is it my imagination or when Janeway says, "you know the way to my ready room" to Kashyk does Chakotay look a little.. perturbed? He glances at her as she leaves and I wonder if he's thinking, "she never talks to ME like that.."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1Ov...elmfu#t=05m15s
I think (hope) Chakotay knows she's playing him... but that last sidelong look after Janeway seems to say..."But does she have to play the part (seduction) SO WELL?"

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I think she was in full on flirt mode and the crew did notice.

Here's another moment, when she is suddenly aware that the security outside of Kashyk's quarters have heard their little, "come, see my etchings" exchange.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsqk...elmfu#t=02m14s
This is my fav comedic scene in this ep, and its with an un-named ensign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...kfNxNNc#t=177s

"As you were."

I also liked the two double entendre's in the scene with Kayshyk. He wants to try HER "replicator"... (loved her look) and SHE'S sorry... for taking HIS replicator "offline".

And no... she NEVER slept with him. SHe teased him and kept him dangling, but never crossed that line cuz after all he's a fascist that wants to kill her telepaths and all those refugees.

Sure... she's willing to consider that MAYBE he's serious about his conversion from the darkside, she's willing to bring him along for the ride a'la Neelix/Kes... but she's not betting on it.
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Old September 11 2012, 10:56 PM   #40
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Counterpoint AND Coffee

I always found it an interesting way to hold a cup. Maybe to prevent unwanted things falling into it. Or to keep it warm a little longer. But it has a clear disadvantage: You get a wet hand from the steam.
I always thought she was keeping herself from throwing it into his face!


Talk about getting burned... He may not have missed the coffee that much if she did that, although it would have been greatly amusing!


I also liked the two double entendre's in the scene with Kayshyk. He wants to try HER "replicator"... (loved her look) and SHE'S sorry... for taking HIS replicator "offline".
I never noticed that. Of course, then he says "In case I decided to replicate a weapon..."

Now that just makes me think of the horror a Janeway/Kashyk offspring would be...

And no... she NEVER slept with him. SHe teased him and kept him dangling, but never crossed that line cuz after all he's a fascist that wants to kill her telepaths and all those refugees.

Sure... she's willing to consider that MAYBE he's serious about his conversion from the darkside, she's willing to bring him along for the ride a'la Neelix/Kes... but she's not betting on it.
It's a good thing that she didn't (IMO). I think that it showed that she had integrity. I've always thought that if this episode happened in the Mirror Universe (or something akin to that) that the Janeway there would have slept with him.

She's definitely willing to consider his defection as serious, but she's smart enough to realize that his nature naturally leans towards deception. Plus, she's not just going to trust someone that's part of an organization like the Devore Imperium.
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Old September 12 2012, 05:37 AM   #41
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You're right, she certainly didn't sleep with him. I hadn't seen the ep in a while and I blurred the line between wanting to sleep with someone and sleeping with someone. I think she was certainly aware of the chemistry and she was attracted. But yeah, the fascism kind of gets in the way.

The double entendres would have been subtext if played by any other actor, Kate Mulgrew really goes to town with them
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Old September 13 2012, 12:29 AM   #42
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The double entendres would have been subtext if played by any other actor, Kate Mulgrew really goes to town with them
Oh yeah she does, but it's utterly hilarious! You know how awesome her interviews always are.
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Old September 13 2012, 01:39 PM   #43
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She's hilarious. She is always having a fabulous time and it shows. Shows like that black dress..
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Old September 13 2012, 02:54 PM   #44
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Mark Harelik is pretty hot; I enjoy seeing him fairly frequently on Big Bang Theory. He's the Caltech physics department head, Dr. Eric Gablehauser. Sorry if someone said that already, and I missed it...
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Mark Harelik is pretty hot; I enjoy seeing him fairly frequently on Big Bang Theory. He's the Caltech physics department head, Dr. Eric Gablehauser.
Funny thing is, I had absolutely no idea that that was Mark Harelik until someone else pointed it out to me. He's pretty hilarious on that show. Shame that Kate Mulgrew hasn't ever been on it; she would be awesome.

Imagine if both she and Mark Harelik did an episode of TBBT together? Now that would be epic! (Although I haven't seen MH on TBBT since the early seasons).
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