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Old September 10 2012, 07:28 AM   #31
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Re: Your favorite Xindi race?

I liked seeing them all at once. It was BAM this is what we've been up against.. they are each intimidating in their own way and yet their shared agenda is being threatened by factional fighting. They explored the different Xindi species as the story moved on at a cracking pace rather than having interlude stories all about Reptilians at home with their eggs or whatever.
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Old September 10 2012, 10:10 AM   #32
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Exactly! I called them the Evil Alliance of Anti-Enterprise Aliens. A Leigon of Doom in space, so to speak.

Then they got a LOT more complex and I liked them more and more.
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Old September 10 2012, 10:18 AM   #33
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Re: Your favorite Xindi race?

I also liked the fact they got it over with and showed them upfront rather than stupidly tease the suspense. As others have said, what made it then work was seeing the different facets of these characters develop, perhaps in ways we hadn't expected.
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Old September 10 2012, 02:11 PM   #34
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Re: Your favorite Xindi race?

Also, the personalities were built up. When you first see the Insectoids, they are so alien, and all our guys are doing is shooting. It's really easy to just shoot first, and really never ask questions later. Then you meet Degra, and start to see the council deliberating, etc., and they turn into individuals. It stops being such a jingoistic story line.
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Old September 10 2012, 06:11 PM   #35
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Re: Your favorite Xindi race?

^ Really?

Xindi species, from most to least human-like: humanoids, arboreals, aquatics, reptilians, insectoids
Xindi species, from most to least sympathetic: humanoids, arboreals, aquatics, reptilians, insectoids

Sure, there were good dramatic and budgetary reasons for these two lists' matching. But I disagree that the overall portrayal of the Xindi was either challenging or enlightened.
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Old September 10 2012, 10:57 PM   #36
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Hey I sympathized with them all equally except the insectoids! I'll admit they were yucky.
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Old September 12 2012, 01:29 AM   #37
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But didn't you warm up to their cute and cuddly little kids in Hatchery? Awwww. Actually, I liked the idea that the crew diverted all their life support to the hatchery when the ship crashed, and perished.
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Old September 12 2012, 02:50 AM   #38
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I think Hatchery was a missed opportunity. Archer was portrayed as being too protective of the eggs because of the substance they injected him with, but I think Archer was on the right track with that one. Taking care of the insectoid offspring could have been an opportunity to show the Xindi that humans weren't the enemy, but instead Reed blew up an incoming insectoid ship. That's not the direction that episode should have taken.

And I did think the babies were cute.
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Old September 12 2012, 05:42 AM   #39
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But didn't you warm up to their cute and cuddly little kids in Hatchery? Awwww.
There was goo.
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Old September 12 2012, 03:22 PM   #40
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But didn't you warm up to their cute and cuddly little kids in Hatchery? Awwww.
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Old September 12 2012, 10:47 PM   #41
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VISCOUS.

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Old September 12 2012, 10:59 PM   #42
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I wondered at the insectoid babies... they looked like fully formed insects from the get-go. That's not how RL insects on earth work. They come out as caterpillars, maggots, general wormy-things, and then eventually metamorphose into insects with legs (and in some cases wings).

I guess the insectoids wouldn't be exactly like earth insects though, being an alien species and all that. Their respiration system would have to be different for example - real life insects are size-limited by their inefficient system for oxygenating their bodies. The largest insect in the world is the Giant Weta of New Zealand, it's about 2 - 3 times the size of a mouse.

Insectoids that were human sized pretty much would need to have something like lungs somewhere, and a more developed circulatory system, to distribute the oxygen carrier as needed.
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Old September 12 2012, 11:48 PM   #43
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Good points. I never thought about what they *should* have looked like as babies. And even the giant insect of 300 million years ago were not the size of the Xindi insectoids.

Earth once has dragonflies with a wingspan of a hawk, and scorpions that were 2 feet long, yet even those animals do not compare in size with the Xindi insectoids. Its believed that Earth's atmosphere had a richer oxygen content when the giant insects lived, and they would not be able to live in our atmosphere today.

But in the Star Trek universe, every planet is exactly the same as Earth - same atmosphere, temperate climate, same gravity, and same humanoids. So it really isn't much of a stretch to believe giant insects could cohabitate with primates in the same world. After all, everyone else seems pretty interchangeable.
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Old September 14 2012, 05:17 PM   #44
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That's not how RL insects on earth work. They come out as caterpillars, maggots, general wormy-things, and then eventually metamorphose into insects with legs (and in some cases wings).
Not all of them, actually. Quite a few species of insects have what are called nymphs, and they look just like miniature adults. Source.
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teacake wrote: View Post
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But didn't you warm up to their cute and cuddly little kids in Hatchery? Awwww.
There was goo.
I can imagine a yeoman bringing Archer's uniform to laundry chief (I assume the Enterprise had a laundry?) and them saying: "Gawd, what it is this time? Does the captain know how long it took for me to get the stains out from that thing the Kreetassans left behind?"
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