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Old September 10 2012, 06:07 PM   #31
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Whether or not they were called replicators, the simple fact is they were only shown to provide food, nothing else. Sure, in Catspaw, we were told the Enterprise could create gemstones, but we were never told how or how long that would take. There was no indication they would come from the wall slots. Scotty called them "Food synthesizers" in Tribbles, yes? I was always of the mind they weren't creating food as much as delivering it. There were too many references to "the galley." I envisioned people making food and storing it. Then when you placed your order in the slot, it was beamed in or something. The food slots seemed a tad too magical for me sometimes.

If you want to put TNG era names on it, then call it the Food Replicator, because they were never shown to create anything else (food includes drinks, by the way).

No gaping hole in that regard, sorry.
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Old September 10 2012, 06:15 PM   #32
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^ That merely suggests that replicator technology became available years after TOS.
Actually, that merely suggets a lighted shelf where Kirk kept his dirty dishes. Maybe the yeoman didn't come by and pick it up yet. How long were they sitting there? The ship only just left space dock, Kirk didn't have time to scarf down a full meal. Was that breakfast before the meeting? If that was a replicator, why didn't he hit the button and get rid of the dishes? Is he that lazy he can't hit a button? Honestly, his quarters looked like they stank.

Odds are it's a food synthesizer, only they don't have the sliding doors anymore. Considering there IS a galley with cooks in this movie.
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Old September 10 2012, 06:33 PM   #33
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Why would the delivery system be called a synthesizer?
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Old September 10 2012, 06:40 PM   #34
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Also what something is called can mean something rather different than what that name meant at an earlier time.

A ship's galley as we understand it today could be quite different in the far future where advanced automation and nanotech is involved. Today you need a complete staff to man a galley and feed hundreds or thousands of crewman. In the 23rd century maybe you only need one guy monitoring the whole operation including programming. With a sophisticated system maybe all the one (or few) individual(s) need to be primarily responsible for is making certain the right raw materials are available and in place.

And "manufacturing" can mean more than just assembling parts. Today we already take raw materials and convert them into parts to be assembled into something else. Nanotech and/or replication can simply be refining and broadening the term.
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Old September 10 2012, 06:50 PM   #35
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In Charlie X Kirk tells Charlie: On Earth today, it's Thanksgiving. If the crew has to eat synthetic meat loaf, I want it to look like turkey. Charlie.
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Old September 10 2012, 06:53 PM   #36
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In Charlie X Kirk tells Charlie: On Earth today, it's Thanksgiving. If the crew has to eat synthetic meat loaf, I want it to look like turkey. Charlie.
Yeah, it's still food even if not literally made from genuine turkey meat.
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Old September 10 2012, 06:54 PM   #37
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Stop talking about Elaan's gaping hole!

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Old September 10 2012, 07:09 PM   #38
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Stop talking about Elaan's gaping hole!

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Well, did you note the size of her guards? And we also saw she could really chow down.
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Old September 10 2012, 07:11 PM   #39
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Why would the delivery system be called a synthesizer?
Because Scotty is a drunk and was confined to quarters when everything was going down. He was reading his tech journals and was a little deep in his cups when called to figure out the problem (hey this could work for Tribbles or any episode or movie really).

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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Maybe it sythesized frozen food, like a Space Age Automat. You really wanted to eat the good stuff from Cookie in the galley, but you only had time for a Hot Pocket.

Well, okay, fine, even of they could replicate food, it was still never anything beyond that. It's still not a plot hole in Elaan of Troyius.

The scene in Trek 6 could still have just been the lit shelf Kirk dumped his filthy dishes. Could have been the sonic dishwasher for all we knew.
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Old September 10 2012, 07:12 PM   #40
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Well, did you note the size of her guards? And we also saw she could really chow down.
Your mastery of subtlety never ceases to amaze me.
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Old September 10 2012, 07:19 PM   #41
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It's been stated several times that Dilithium cannot be replicated, only mined, as of the 2380's novelverse this is still the case.
Actually one of the A Time To novels mentioned synthetic dilithium.

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I wrote a short 'evolution of warp technology' article a couple of years ago taking the "Lithium" line literally to mean nano-tube lithium "crystals" manufactured on the atomic level as an experimental subsitute to Dilithium that could also be machined on-ship if necessary but never worked out.
Except they still need to stop for lithium crystals back then as well.

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Also what something is called can mean something rather different than what that name meant at an earlier time.

A ship's galley as we understand it today could be quite different in the far future where advanced automation and nanotech is involved. Today you need a complete staff to man a galley and feed hundreds or thousands of crewman. In the 23rd century maybe you only need one guy monitoring the whole operation including programming. With a sophisticated system maybe all the one (or few) individual(s) need to be primarily responsible for is making certain the right raw materials are available and in place.
Except in TUC they still had a number of people cooking stuff in the galley in fact someone was making what looked like mashed potatoes in the pot Valeris vaporized.
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Old September 10 2012, 07:31 PM   #42
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but never worked out.
Except they still need to stop for lithium crystals back then as well.
Bolding this time.
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Old September 10 2012, 08:20 PM   #43
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Also what something is called can mean something rather different than what that name meant at an earlier time.

A ship's galley as we understand it today could be quite different in the far future where advanced automation and nanotech is involved. Today you need a complete staff to man a galley and feed hundreds or thousands of crewman. In the 23rd century maybe you only need one guy monitoring the whole operation including programming. With a sophisticated system maybe all the one (or few) individual(s) need to be primarily responsible for is making certain the right raw materials are available and in place.
Except in TUC they still had a number of people cooking stuff in the galley in fact someone was making what looked like mashed potatoes in the pot Valeris vaporized.
They got so much wrong in the films I wouldn't take that too seriously. Besides in TMOST it's said that there is a place aboard where individuals can still prepare food by hand if they wish. That's probably what we saw.
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Old September 10 2012, 08:25 PM   #44
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Some materials cannot be replicated. Latinum and dilithium are some examples.
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Old September 10 2012, 08:29 PM   #45
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Some materials cannot be replicated. Latinum and dilithium are some examples.
I don't have a problem with that otherwise you'd have an inexhaustible power source.
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