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Old September 9 2012, 10:05 PM   #46
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Re: I thought Valiant was a very good episode

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But what really really got to me was that watters looked like a young tom cruise ... and even before we relised he was a stim junkey prik of a capt, i wanted him to die just cus he looked like tom frikkin cruise
Best summary of that character ever.

There were too many Americans on Valiant
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Old September 9 2012, 10:06 PM   #47
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Re: I thought Valiant was a very good episode

^ It's an American show, filmed in America, written and produced by Americans. What did you expect?
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Old September 9 2012, 10:07 PM   #48
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^ It's an American show, filmed in America, written and produced by Americans. What did you expect?
I know that, I was being factitious. Though didn't they make Sirtis put on an accent because they didn't want "too many Brits on the bridge" I'm allowed to complain
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Old September 9 2012, 10:10 PM   #49
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^ It's an American show, filmed in America, written and produced by Americans. What did you expect?
Ds9 wasn't full of americans, TNG enterprise wasn't full of americans, TOS wasn't full of americans. Star trek has always been diverse despite being filmed in America.

Valiant did seem pretty "un-diverse" compared to the usual. I guess if they are trying to cast arrogant cocky annoying brats, they have to make them all white americans for some reason.


Edit- Actually, the guy who was commanding the valiant was played by a canadian. But i still found it kinda funny that the crew of the cockiest brattiest punks in starfleet was comprised soley of white humans (from what I remember)
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Old September 9 2012, 11:50 PM   #50
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Its not Meridian bad, but its bad.
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Old September 9 2012, 11:58 PM   #51
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They made the Valiant crew too unlikable. It was almost like a cartoon. I think the episode would have been much better and tragic if it had only been the acting Captain that was the douchebag, while the rest of the crew was simply following orders.
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Old September 10 2012, 12:23 AM   #52
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They made the Valiant crew too unlikable. It was almost like a cartoon. I think the episode would have been much better and tragic if it had only been the acting Captain that was the douchebag, while the rest of the crew was simply following orders.
Then at the end we might find out he was a relative of this guy:


(locarno, not paris)

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Old September 10 2012, 12:52 AM   #53
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They made the Valiant crew too unlikable. It was almost like a cartoon. I think the episode would have been much better and tragic if it had only been the acting Captain that was the douchebag, while the rest of the crew was simply following orders.
however if the rest of the crew wernt douchbags they should have relieved him for being unfit to command and gotten the hell outta dodge
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Old September 10 2012, 04:41 AM   #54
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Valiant would have played better for me if they had better explored the idea of young officers like Red Squad getting commands and responsibilities far too early because the war killing off good experienced crewman. The excessive hubris and arrogance being in some ways a mask for a fanatical devotion to getting a victory for the Federation (something perhaps distinct to that generation, being the first generation of cadets raised an educated in the era of major casualties to the Borg and the Dominion) would have been more interesting to me.
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Old September 16 2012, 10:17 PM   #55
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Re: I thought Valiant was a very good episode

Since I never saw the entire DS9 series when it first came out, I'm watching it now via streaming Netflix.

I just saw this episode today. When I saw how cocky the crew was, I figured it wasn't going to end well. As soon as I saw the "Captain" popping pills, the ending was obvious to me.

I thought at least a few of the escape pods would survive, but having only one survive which just happened to have Jake and Nog on it...well, that was a little too convenient.

They should have shaken things up a bit and have them killed off too.
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Old September 17 2012, 02:35 AM   #56
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Well, I like the way it ended, and I think the episode worked. It's one of the series' best.
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Old September 17 2012, 05:59 PM   #57
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Re: I thought Valiant was a very good episode

While the cadets eventually got annoying and were way too arrogant/burnt-out to continue their 'mission', they did come off as capable and their plan and reasoning to take down the Dominion ship wasn't completely without merit. It just showed, like DS9 often did, that techobabble doesnt always save the day.
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Old September 17 2012, 06:17 PM   #58
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yes, but the orders were to gather intel on the ship and reurn it to command. Not gather data on the new battleship and attempt to take it down.
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Old September 17 2012, 06:35 PM   #59
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yes, but the orders were to gather intel on the ship and reurn it to command. Not gather data on the new battleship and attempt to take it down.
I didn't say they should've done what they did, it was borne out of arrogance but it wasn't just a blind attack into the complete unknown, either. Even the best starfleet officers have been known to severely misinterpret their orders.
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Old September 18 2012, 01:27 AM   #60
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Re: I thought Valiant was a very good episode

But they were supposed to be better than 21st century humans.

Starfleet officers are supposed to have better morals than the average 24th century person, to hear some Starfleet officers talk.

I got a sense of arrogant, over privileged kids that were pampered by Starfleet.

Why the the snobby attitudes? 24th century humans are supposed to be better than we are, but no matter what time periods you live in, a nasty glare is a nasty glare.

One strange or dumb thing in the episode is how they have the one Vulcan there (like they always do) and he pretty much goes along with all of it.

I would think a Vulcan would be the first one to say that the plan was illogical.
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