Counterpoint

[Violet.Phoenix]

teacake wrote:

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I think she was in full on flirt mode and the crew did notice.

I'm pretty sure they did, how could anyone not notice flirting that blatant?

I think it's a definite yes that Chuckles noticed.

Here's another moment, when she is suddenly aware that the security outside of Kashyk's quarters have heard their little, "come, see my etchings" exchange.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsqk...elmfu#t=02m14s

The best part is the officer's smirk after Kashyk walks into his quarters.

I think it was something other than "etchings" that Kashyk was interested in seeing.

[teacake]

"etchings" is an old code word. I guess in Janeway's time it's "replicator prowess". What is it today I wonder.. used to be "my music collection" but now we all own everything on our hard drives so no one cares.

If Janeway wasn't wooing the man she would have been cold as ice. I'm sure anyone around them, like EVERYONE ON THE BRIDGE (lol) would have seen this little play and been.. perplexed. Or jealous. Or worried. I wonder if she confided in anyone during this time?

[Guy Gardener]

B'Elanna went further than that when she got knocked up by a Nazi just to read his secret war correspondence while he was sleeping.

[teacake]

B'Elanna entered the holo story playing the role of a pregnant resistance fighter. The impregnation scene is not part of what she is playing.

[Guy Gardener]

If you have the memories of something happening then it might as well have happened.

If it wasn't in her character to have made those decisions then there would have been a schism as she doubted the subsistence of the universe with a philosophical crisis.

[teacake]

Then Janeway really is a tux wearing lesbian?!

[teacake]

(from: http://ewigestudentin.deviantart.com...shyk-198004538)

Text is a quote from Kate Mulgrew on this episode.

"This was a story about a woman dealing with a man within a man within a man. This was espionage at its best.. but it was so close to.. love. I don't think I even knew the difference. Was I falling in love with him? Or was I falling in love with the traitor that I knew him to be? Could I make this distinction? Was he capable of making it with me? Where was the truth? Where was the lie? Who was going to betray whom?"

[lurok]

Kashyk is the only one of Janeway's special friends I can bear, even if he is a creep like the others. Ditto what everyone else has said (palpable sexual tension, yadda, yadda...) but what really sets this episode apart from other Trek for me is that it uses Mahler. Frakking Mahler in Star Trek

[Violet.Phoenix]

teacake wrote:

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"etchings" is an old code word. I guess in Janeway's time it's "replicator prowess". What is it today I wonder.. used to be "my music collection" but now we all own everything on our hard drives so no one cares.

Ah, I see now. I've learned something new today.

If Janeway wasn't wooing the man she would have been cold as ice. I'm sure anyone around them, like EVERYONE ON THE BRIDGE (lol) would have seen this little play and been.. perplexed. Or jealous. Or worried. I wonder if she confided in anyone during this time?

She was still pretty cold, but not enough so as to completely turn him off. The Bridge crew probably was perplexed as they're used to seeing Janeway being calm and reserved, but such an outright flirtatious attitude would be a bit of a moment for all of them.

I bet Tuvok was part of it, along with Chakotay. If there is anyone on the ship that she trusts the most, it's those two. I would bet that Tuvok secretly advised her of the likelihood of Kashyk's deceit, and Chakotay probably agreed, urging Janeway to listen.

lurok wrote:

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Kashyk is the only one of Janeway's special friends I can bear, even if he is a creep like the others. Ditto what everyone else has said (palpable sexual tension, yadda, yadda...) but what really sets this episode apart from other Trek for me is that it uses Mahler. Frakking Mahler in Star Trek

Oh yes...the Mahler. Such a delightful musical number to use on Star Trek. I love the opening for that. The classical music is so different compared to the usual soundtrack that the show uses and it's very refreshing.

[teacake]

Oh yes the OPENING!! Wonderful stuff.

[Kegg]

I wonder if there are any fan videos of this episode that use Mahler. That would seem to be an obvious pick, to be honest.

[Violet.Phoenix]

teacake wrote:

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Oh yes the OPENING!! Wonderful stuff.

And the closing scene as well. I love the shot at the end of the Devore ships moving away from Voyager with Mahler playing dramatically in the background.

Kegg wrote:

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I wonder if there are any fan videos of this episode that use Mahler. That would seem to be an obvious pick, to be honest.

You know, I don't think I've ever seen any set to Mahler (I did a search on youtube as well). Hmm, odd.

On another note, I mentioned earlier that I thought that Janeway would have confided in Tuvok and Chakotay. Take a look at this trailer for the episode, around 0:22.



And here's another great Counterpoint fan video:

[teacake]

Wait a minute.. was that "we need to watch his every movement" IN the episode? Because I sure don't remember it and I watched it yesterday!

And that is hilarious the second one!

[Violet.Phoenix]

teacake wrote:

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Wait a minute.. was that "we need to watch his every movement" IN the episode? Because I sure don't remember it and I watched it yesterday!

No it wasn't. Sorry I should have mentioned that. But if we look at that, it seems that Janeway did confide in Tuvok and Chakotay. Hmm..wonder why they cut it out of the episode?

[teacake]

I think it's good they did cut it. One reason the episode is so artistic and perfect and works so well is it focuses on Janeway and Kashyk the exclusion of everyone else. The build up and the "what's really going on?" element is not interrupted by boring meetings with the crew.