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View Poll Results: Rate The Eternal Tide.
Outstanding 83 49.70%
Above Average 50 29.94%
Average 27 16.17%
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Old September 9 2012, 09:30 PM   #271
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Re: VOY: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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I wonder, with Vanguard gone, could that possibly give another spot to Voyager in the publishing schedule? I'd love to see Christopher's take on the Delta Quadrant now. His "Places of Exile" was my favorite Myriad Universes story.
Wonderful idea! Christopher is excellent at world-building, sense of wonder and characters, Imho. Plus, he strives to make the fictional concepts as scientifically accurate as possible and weaving it into the plot. This is not meant to say that Kirsten isn't excellent, but it could increase the outpot to more than one novel a year.

Isn't it awesome to have two novel series delving into the unknown and being on the exploration course again (thinking of Titan and Voyager)? It balances quiet nicely with the politically oriented series. DS9, with its access to the Gamma Quadrant, could be the middle ground between the two parts of TrekLit.
While i agree that christopher is one of the best trek authors - i really think voyager should be left to kirsten for as long as she wants it. She writes the characters better then some episodes. Its her sandbox .. let her play in it
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Old September 9 2012, 09:37 PM   #272
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Re: VOY: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

With the amount of threads tied up (rather quickly) in this one, I wouldn't be 100% certain of getting another Voyager from Kirsten...

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Old September 9 2012, 09:50 PM   #273
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With the amount of threads tied up (rather quickly) in this one, I wouldn't be 100% certain of getting another Voyager from Kirsten...

I disagree, i think while a lot of things were tied up .. more things were left ..... While the ships were destroyed, the crews that were trapped are most likely still alive, How or why is kes still alive, will more ships be sent from the delta quadrant? Will Janeway be allowed the position as fleet commander.

Unless she doesnt want to do another one i really think it would be a mistake to ask someone else to take over.
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Old September 9 2012, 09:53 PM   #274
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With the amount of threads tied up (rather quickly) in this one, I wouldn't be 100% certain of getting another Voyager from Kirsten...

I disagree....Unless she doesnt want to do another one i really think it would be a mistake to ask someone else to take over.
Oh sure, the more she does the better in my book. I could see her alternating with other writers though.
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Old September 9 2012, 10:00 PM   #275
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To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that Christopher "take over." I love what Kirsten has written. But I do think he would add something interesting and unique to the already rich tapestry that Voyager has become.

Not to mention, we might get a Voyager novel more often.

...and some people like having friends in their sandboxes!
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Old September 9 2012, 10:04 PM   #276
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To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that Christopher "take over." I love what Kirsten has written. But I do think he would add something interesting and unique to the already rich tapestry that Voyager has become.

Not to mention, we might get a Voyager novel more often.

...and some people like having friends in their sandboxes!
Indeed - if gene didnt we wouldnt be discussing this now - but there are soo many other things that could be written about atm ... i would be happy with one voyager book and one original story / series to replace Vanguard
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Old September 10 2012, 03:30 AM   #277
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Good book. Worthless complaints:

Ugh... Seven and Cambridge... yuck. God, Cambridge is the worst character. I can't believe I would ever prefer Chakotay as a mate for Seven over anyone.

Also, when did Seven go back to wearing the stupid catsuits?
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Old September 10 2012, 08:06 AM   #278
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I wonder, with Vanguard gone, could that possibly give another spot to Voyager in the publishing schedule? I'd love to see Christopher's take on the Delta Quadrant now. His "Places of Exile" was my favorite Myriad Universes story.
Wonderful idea! Christopher is excellent at world-building, sense of wonder and characters, Imho. Plus, he strives to make the fictional concepts as scientifically accurate as possible and weaving it into the plot. This is not meant to say that Kirsten isn't excellent, but it could increase the outpot to more than one novel a year.

Isn't it awesome to have two novel series delving into the unknown and being on the exploration course again (thinking of Titan and Voyager)? It balances quiet nicely with the politically oriented series. DS9, with its access to the Gamma Quadrant, could be the middle ground between the two parts of TrekLit.
While i agree that christopher is one of the best trek authors - i really think voyager should be left to kirsten for as long as she wants it. She writes the characters better then some episodes. Its her sandbox .. let her play in it
Have you read The Buried Age by Christopher? The first time I ever saw a writer correctly write Janeway, down to her body language. I mean, the guy could write her body language!!!
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Old September 10 2012, 08:52 AM   #279
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Just fyi, I also recommend The Buried Age. Was one of the few Trek books I've read all the way through during the past five or so years. Got it mostly since I heard younger Janeway was in it, tho was also intrigued w/ the Picard story, and quite enjoyed it for Jean-Luc's experiences, and the KJ part was a plus. (But made me wish for more "young Janeway in Starfleet" stories*, lol.) *Besides Mosaic of course, but that book did skim a number of years.

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Old September 11 2012, 03:04 AM   #280
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Lots of thoughts about this time out that I'm still processing, but one larger question did come to mind while reading this...was there a particular motivation to do this now? I mean, was this along the lines of TPTB saying "alright, Janeway needs to come back, give us the best possible story," or was it Kirsten's pitch of "I'm bringing Janeway back, end of discussion."?
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Old September 11 2012, 04:26 AM   #281
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^Well, how do you define "TPTB?" If you mean the studio, that's not how it works; the ideas come from the authors or editors, and the studio just approves them and vets them for consistency with canon.
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Old September 11 2012, 07:43 AM   #282
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My Boycott.. is OVER.

It's so clean and pretty.. almost don't want to crack it open
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Old September 11 2012, 09:47 AM   #283
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Ahh, flares! I like the flowers and the leaf, it looks so happy. Enjoy your read, teacake.
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Old September 11 2012, 01:59 PM   #284
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My Boycott.. is OVER.

It's so clean and pretty.. almost don't want to crack it open
This beautiful, it's a good thing that the inside is just as awesome!
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Old September 11 2012, 05:53 PM   #285
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Nice picture.

Comment on the 'boycott' bit, though: Now that you know Janeway is only absent, and not killed, do you intend to go back and read some of what came out in the interim? Not only will this book be a bit confusing/empty without the backstory, but I think your protest deprived you of some of the better Trek books to come out in a while. The stuff written about her death may be more palatable knowing it's not permanent...

Full Circle was great, and seems a waste to jump back into the books now without seeing the whole Delta Quadrant mission.
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