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Old September 9 2012, 05:33 PM   #91
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Re: La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

Previous releases or re-recordings were nice, but they were also frustrating in a tantalizing way because of what you didn't get.

A complete compilation for the entire series is mind-boggling and something to be really appreciated.
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Old September 11 2012, 03:20 PM   #92
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Previous releases or re-recordings were nice, but they were also frustrating in a tantalizing way because of what you didn't get.

A complete compilation for the entire series is mind-boggling and something to be really appreciated.
Wholeheartedly agree. Being a fan of the music as much as the story content and classic visual, the music is another "character" in the series--memorable all on its own. Like many, I bought the GNPC albums and the VS re-scored records back in the 80s, but as much as I appreciated having any TOS music released, one could not help thinking of the volume of remaining music sitting in an archive.

Now, that longtime frustration is pushed aside as one of the most exiciting soundtrack releases in 50 years is on the eve of release.

I wait with smiling anticipation!
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Old September 12 2012, 01:15 AM   #93
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It just occurred to me that it would be great if La La Land could do a box set of scores from Mission: Impossible too -- the original series, of course. There is one CD available, but it's all Lalo Schifrin and mainly from later seasons, it looks like. I think M:I had its best music in the first 4 seasons, and featured some great contributions by Gerald Fried, Jerry Fielding, Walter Scharf (who's best known for composing the National Geographic theme), Robert Drasnin, and others as well as Schifrin. I know M:I isn't as popular today as Star Trek, but the Fried and Fielding scores would have crossover appeal for Trek music fans -- and I submit the rest of the early scores would too, since this was also a Desilu production made simultaneously with TOS and probably used the same recording studio and equipment and a lot of the same musicians and instruments, giving the scores a similar sound even with different composers. And I'd certainly be interested in such a set.
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Old September 12 2012, 01:37 AM   #94
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Mission: Impossible indeed had some great music.
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Old September 12 2012, 01:41 AM   #95
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We watched the season two episode "Trek" last night with Mark Lenard and had almost exactly this same conversation about the music from Mission: Impossible! How funny.
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Old September 12 2012, 01:57 AM   #96
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Oh, yeah, "Trek" was (fittingly) one of the Gerald Fried scores, and one of his best for M:I.
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Old September 12 2012, 07:32 AM   #97
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It strikes me that, you guys who did the research for the new compilation, you probably have more access to cue sheets for tracked episodes than anyone has ever had. Can this info be made public somewhere? It would be wonderful to be able to look up info like –

Well for example, a question came up in another thread, about the music cues during the teaser of Errand Of Mercy, about a minute or so in, when the torpedo-strikes rock the ship and Kirk & Spock are clinging to the handrail. An online directory of cue sheets would be awesome. Probably a tedious thing to put together; but if you guys have access to all the info, that would be a nice follow-on project, after the compilation is released.

You know, in all your copious free time. :-)
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Old September 12 2012, 03:58 PM   #98
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There's one issue in particular I'm still wondering about. According to my father, his former teacher, the late composer Scott Huston, ghostwrote the scores for a couple of TOS episodes. There was a Cincinnati Enquirer interview with Huston sometime in the '80s, before his death, that also asserted this, clarifying that they were scores credited to Alexander Courage and were written in 1968 when Courage was on an "extended European vacation." I later learned that Courage had something of a falling out with Roddenberry over the latter's insistence on adding lyrics to the theme song so that he could get half the royalties on sheet-music sales, or something like that, which makes it credible that he could've asked someone else to ghostwrite the scores. And the two original third-season scores credited to Courage, "The Enterprise Incident" and "Plato's Stepchildren," use Courage motifs but do not sound like the work of the same composer who did the pilots, "The Man Trap," and "The Naked Time," although they're definitely by the same composer as each other.

I asked Jeff Bond about this over e-mail some years ago, but he said he'd been unable to find any proof of this. I'm wondering if anything more has been discovered about the authorship of those episode scores in the course of researching this project. I keep thinking I should look into it myself, maybe try to get in contact with Huston's estate through the University of Cincinnati's College Conservatory of Music, where he taught for many years (and which was also the alma mater of TOS composer George Duning). But I'm just about to get to work on a new novel and I don't think I'll have the chance to research it anytime soon. Really, I should've done it years ago.
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Old September 12 2012, 08:11 PM   #99
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Re: La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

It has been pointed out by Jeff Bond on FSM that the music for The Enterprise Incident sounds similar to some Alexander Courage music from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.

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[FONT=Arial]I haven't heard the music in question, but this sort of suggests that this isn't the case.[/FONT]
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Old September 12 2012, 08:13 PM   #100
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...the two original third-season scores credited to Courage...
That is facinating. Has an air of plausibility too: those two scores don't sound like Courage's other Star Trek music.

I had never heard of Scott Huston before.

The one thing that makes me skeptical is, I think the composer conducted the studio orchestra in the recording of the score. Jeff Bond's book has the session dates for those scores as 8/5/68 and 10/25/68. Wouldn't people have noticed if the guy in the room wasn't Courage? In Bob Justman's interview in the book, he said he likes to be on the sound stage for the recording of the score, and he knew "Sandy".

(On the other hand, those dates are right on Huston's timeline, and in the interview Justman says they could only get Courage for a couple of first-season scores. Hmm.)
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Old September 12 2012, 08:16 PM   #101
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From Lukas Kendall at FSM:

I reviewed the scores for all the eps at CBS and that is baloney: Enterprise Incident and Plato's Stepchildren are in Courage's hand (very distinctive and clear).

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Old September 12 2012, 08:26 PM   #102
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The thread on the FSM boards:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/boar...0900&archive=0
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Old September 12 2012, 08:35 PM   #103
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Hmm, then that leaves me wondering about Huston's claim. I mean, I don't think he was a big Trek fan or trying to impress anyone. I mean, I'm the Trekkie in my family; my father was neutral toward it, and he was the one Huston told, as was the Enquirer.

Maybe Huston misremembered and it was a different series from the '60s that he did it for. Or maybe he just assisted Courage with some of the arrangements for those two episodes? If he was Courage's arranger for those episodes and the Voyage episodes, but not the TOS pilot and first-season scores, that could explain the similarities and differences cited above.

JimZipCode, Scott Huston isn't someone who would've been known as a film/TV composer. He was mainly a composer of orchestral and choral music (and one opera) and a longtime member of the CCM faculty. He did write the music for a locally produced TV documentary series about Cincinnati history back in the '80s -- probably 1988, since that was the city's 200th anniversary -- and that's probably around the time he was interviewed in the Enquirer.

Anyway, thanks to OneBuckFilms and Lukas Kendall for clearing this up for me. I can't say I'm not disappointed; for more than half my life I've believed that I was just a couple of degrees of separation from someone who'd written music for Star Trek, and that as a result I was privy to a little-known secret, albeit one I've wanted to make known for a long time. It's not easy to discover that something like that isn't true. But at least now I have a solid answer about who scored those episodes. Although that leaves the mystery of why Huston believed he'd done them, which is probably unanswerable. (Is there any way to find out whether he might've assisted Courage as an orchestrator?)

Oh, well. My father did interview David Bell once, years before he became a Trek composer. Not as cool as the Huston connection would've been, but it's something...
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Old September 12 2012, 09:03 PM   #104
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I still suspect he may have had something to do with it, perhaps helping with arrangement / orchestration, or perhaps even conducting on some cues.

Composers are often "pens for hire" on these projects, and I know that there is a lot of ghost composing going on.

It is also sometimes very difficult to ascertain exactly who did what behind the scenes.

For all we know, he may have actually composed one or two smaller cues using Courage's themes as a basis in order to save time, which happens often.

Fred Steiner composed several cues for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, for example, and Alexander Courage orchestrated and arranged a lot of Jerry's music for that and subsequent scores, including 2 versions of his own Star Trek theme (one used twice) for the "Captain's Log" sequences.
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Old September 12 2012, 09:17 PM   #105
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^Thank you, that clarifies things. So it's quite possible he did work on those episodes, just not ghostwriting them entirely as I'd been led to believe. Maybe it was just a misunderstanding.

So instead of a big secret I was privy to through my father, it was more of a footnote.
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