RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 137,841
Posts: 5,327,688
Members: 24,551
Currently online: 628
Newest member: Vargr1

TrekToday headlines

Cubify Star Trek 3DMe Mini Figurines
By: T'Bonz on Jul 11

Latest Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Jul 10

Seven of Nine Bobble Head
By: T'Bonz on Jul 9

Pegg The Prankster
By: T'Bonz on Jul 9

More Trek Stars Join Unbelievable!!!!!
By: T'Bonz on Jul 8

Star Trek #35 Preview
By: T'Bonz on Jul 8

New ThinkGeek Trek Apparel
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Star Trek Movie Prop Auction
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Drexler: NX Engineering Room Construction
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

New Trek Home Fashions
By: T'Bonz on Jul 4


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Welcome to the Trek BBS! > General Trek Discussion

General Trek Discussion Trek TV and cinema subjects not related to any specific series or movie.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 3 2012, 08:11 PM   #16
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

Personally, I do believe the Federation will still be around in the 31st-Century, but the future isn't written in stone and any glimpses into Trek's distant future we've seen are all just potential futures that may or may not come to pass or may happen (and look) very differently by the time it eventually comes round.
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 3 2012, 08:17 PM   #17
King Daniel Into Darkness
Admiral
 
King Daniel Into Darkness's Avatar
 
Location: England again
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

The Federation's already been destroyed several times using time travel, either intentionally (Star Trek: First Contact) or accidentlly ("Shockwave", "City on the Edge of Forever", "Past Tense" etc etc)

Luckily they were always able to undo it. If the baddies ever succeed, the Federation's "destruction" will be via it never having existed.
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
King Daniel Into Darkness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 3 2012, 08:22 PM   #18
REDrake
Lieutenant
 
REDrake's Avatar
 
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Send a message via Yahoo to REDrake
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

KingDaniel wrote: View Post
He also said it was an alternate timeline, a possible future.
That's not exactly what he said. He said: "This species has the technology that allows them to examine alternate timelines. They've seen this future and want to change the outcome". This means that by destroying the Spheres, Archer ensured that the war happened along the desired path. Daniels was trying to prevent the change of timeline, not change it himself. He deals with facts, not "what ifs". He shows Archer the path history should take, trying to convince him not to endanger that future.
REDrake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 3 2012, 08:37 PM   #19
King Daniel Into Darkness
Admiral
 
King Daniel Into Darkness's Avatar
 
Location: England again
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

But without the spheres (which had been doing their job for thousands of years), and the modified space they create, the Sphere Builders can't exist in our dimension. And the spheres were destroyed 400 years early. Thus the future has changed, whatever Daniels' intentions may have been. It's no more the future of Trek than the ruined 31st century Earth from "Shockwave"
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
King Daniel Into Darkness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 03:28 AM   #20
NrobbieC
Commander
 
NrobbieC's Avatar
 
Location: Burton, UK
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

Given the whole non-linear aspect, it's not impossible for the Battle of Procyon V to still occur in some form.

The Wormhole wrote: View Post
Personally, I always assumed Mr Daniels on Enterprise was with the Federation, but others seem to think he wasn't. As proof, they claim he never spoke of the Federation in the present tense and he spoke of a Federation monument, which supposedly means it must be a thing of the past.
Daniels only said he wasn't a member of Starfleet. It's most likely he's from the future DTI so that makes sense.
NrobbieC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 04:08 AM   #21
Kadratis
Fleet Captain
 
Kadratis's Avatar
 
Location: Dayton, OH
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

KingDaniel wrote: View Post
But without the spheres (which had been doing their job for thousands of years), and the modified space they create, the Sphere Builders can't exist in our dimension. And the spheres were destroyed 400 years early. Thus the future has changed, whatever Daniels' intentions may have been. It's no more the future of Trek than the ruined 31st century Earth from "Shockwave"
This.
Kadratis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 09:02 AM   #22
Hando
Lieutenant Commander
 
Hando's Avatar
 
Send a message via ICQ to Hando Send a message via AIM to Hando Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Hando Send a message via Yahoo to Hando
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

^ I adhere to the idea that the spheres are the same in 12th - 26th century, the only difference is that by the 26th century there is more of them and therefore Procyon V would be now part of the Delphic Expanse.

So if the spheres are destroyed in the 22nd century, they do not have to be destroyed in the 26th.
But this doesn't change the fact that we have not heard the last of the Sphere Builders. They are still safe in their own realm. They do posses time travel technology (a part of the Xindi prototype came from the future, there was the short visit to the 21st century, and they shared the technology with the Borg in the !24th century).

If they breeched the universe once, can they not do it again? Who is to say that they did not move shop and are operating somewhere else?

However there are limitation to this technology - why didn't they attack sooner?
Could they predict the future only for something over 400 years? The only advanced race they could use in the Delphic Expanse were the Xindi, an earlier attempt the Triannon destroyed themselves?
Hando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 04:12 PM   #23
NrobbieC
Commander
 
NrobbieC's Avatar
 
Location: Burton, UK
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

There's nothing to say the Expanse of the 26th century is the same as the one in the 22nd.
NrobbieC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 07:58 PM   #24
REDrake
Lieutenant
 
REDrake's Avatar
 
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Send a message via Yahoo to REDrake
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

My point exactly. As I remember, Sphere builders also had ships in the future. Is quite possible those ships were carrying their own anomaly emitters. I like to believe in the causality effect, even if it's customary for Trek cannon not to.
REDrake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 08:28 PM   #25
Mage
Fleet Captain
 
Mage's Avatar
 
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

Personally, I think that the 700 odd years between the 24th century and the 31st century is such a long time, that the changes of the Federation being around the way it is in the 24th century is unlikely. Governments adapt and change according the period in which they exists. Especially governments that are alliances like the Federation, where races can become members, but also leave. The political landscape will probably change so much in the coming years, that the way the Federation works could be very different. Perhaps instead of being this tight government it is right now, respect between the various species of the Federation and its allies will have evolved to such a point, that an actual goverment isn't even necessary anymore. And only a loose alliance of mutual understanding and respect, without a written law will exist.
__________________
Niner. Lurker. Browncoat.
Mage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 08:38 PM   #26
Vanyel
The Imperious Leader
 
Vanyel's Avatar
 
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

Nations and Empires rise and fall. How long can the Federation exist is nothing more than a guess. The Battle of Procyon V may have been the Federation's last big engagement. It could have led to other world leaving or declaring their independence from the Federation or created a civil war. Disease may have spread across the Federation either as a biological attack or natural occurrence. The Battle of Procyon V may have been the last in a long war that left the Federation vulnerable to the Borg or another race.

There is not enough information to say that the Federation as it is in the 23/24 centuries is the same as the one in the 31st or beyond. It could still be around, but in what form is anyone's guess.
__________________
Imogene, get serious! Who do you think you're talking to?! I've known you for 27 years, and all I can say is, if God was giving out sexually transmitted diseases to people as a punishment for sinning, then you would be at the free clinic all the time! And so would the rest of us!
--Julia Sugarbaker
Vanyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 08:51 PM   #27
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

The United Federation of Planets could also evolve into something else over time, perhaps a larger interstellar coalition with another name or a slightly different one (I remember the old FASA TNG Officer's Manual suggesting the Federation Grand Alliance, with multiple territorial zones extending into different quadrants of the Galaxy).
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2012, 09:54 PM   #28
King Daniel Into Darkness
Admiral
 
King Daniel Into Darkness's Avatar
 
Location: England again
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

There's always the possibility the Federation has turned evil by then, as in the excellent novel Crossroad.
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
King Daniel Into Darkness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 5 2012, 01:43 AM   #29
Count Zero
Yeah, I know...
 
Count Zero's Avatar
 
Location: Land of Awesome
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

KingDaniel wrote: View Post
There's always the possibility the Federation has turned evil by then, as in the excellent novel Crossroad.
Oh, that sounds interesting. I must read that one.
__________________
"Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi
Count Zero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 5 2012, 02:40 AM   #30
-Brett-
Rear Admiral
 
Re: Does the Federation still exist in the 31+th century?

If the Federation is a democracy, as we all assume, then Starfleet and it's exploration programs are bound to wind up the subject of popular vote sooner or later. Not hard to imagine the average voter blaming Starfleet for exposing them to the Borg, Dominion and whatever else. The Federation could very well swing toward a more isolationist mindset. Hence, the absence from the delta quadrant in the 31st+ centuries.
-Brett- is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:00 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.