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Old September 3 2012, 11:55 AM   #406
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Re: Breaking Bad - Season 5

Oh, man ... what an episode! This is the best show ever!!! But dear god is the wait for next season going to hurt
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Old September 3 2012, 12:12 PM   #407
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If it was just the Meth, it's possible that Hank could let it slide.

But all those bodies.

Walt has to promise to die.

If Walt can't promise he'll be dead in 6 months, his freedom would be intolerable.

No matter the cost, the horrible cost.
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Old September 3 2012, 03:06 PM   #408
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It's interesting how the writers are potentially setting up Walt's actions as strengthening white supremacist power in the U.S. Todd could have his own little blue meth white supremacist empire by the end of the show. That's quite a legacy you're building there, Walt.

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So I'm dumb and confused. When Jesse said that Saul told him what did, was he speaking of Mike or the 9 guys?
He was talking about the nine guys (in reference to him not having to move/hide). I doubt Walt told Saul about Mike's death.
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Old September 3 2012, 03:07 PM   #409
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It's going to be very hard to convict walter of any deaths, Jesse is the only one left who knew of most of them (not all though) going back to Crazy 8. Jesse is the only one that can truly bring Walter down.
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Old September 3 2012, 03:46 PM   #410
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Did you see last nights episode?
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Old September 3 2012, 03:49 PM   #411
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It's going to be very hard to convict walter of any deaths, Jesse is the only one left who knew of most of them (not all though) going back to Crazy 8. Jesse is the only one that can truly bring Walter down.
Exactly. Well done, Mr. Gilligan. Well done. Cranston and Paul will rock that kind of conflict.
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Old September 3 2012, 06:43 PM   #412
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Oh, that's right. The European Madrigal connections are bound to be ticked off when the gravy train just stops because Walter suddenly grew a conscience. Consequences abound. Drug dealers are a violent lot.

A brilliant point that someone on another board brought up to support the cancer diagnosis[[lung cancer often metastisizes to the brain. The poster's aunt had suffered the same fate and he said that a peculiar habit she developed was often staring into space and then fixating on some subject until someone literally had to snap her out of it.

Remember? Walter in the hotel room with Todd's connections? Walt was focused on the wall painting until one of the hoods snapped his fingers at him to get his attention. .
Very, very subtle about the painting if the writers were thinking that. I think another reference to Walt's cancer returning is his telling Walt Jr. to make sure Holly has her sunscreen on.
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Old September 3 2012, 07:09 PM   #413
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Wow.

So have we seen that copy of Leaves Of Grass before? I can never remember details from months or years back, so I googled around and found this on vulture:

I'm also annoyed by the book itself. I hauled out my DVDs from Seasons 3 and 4, trying to find a moment where Gale gives Walter an inscribed copy of Leaves of Grass, and I couldn't find one; maybe I overlooked it, and if so, I'm sure one of you will point me to the episode with exact timecode, because y'all are absolutely on-point that way, but this seems like a ret-con job to me. We saw Walt take a copy of Leaves of Grass out of a box at the start of this season, but I don't believe we ever saw Gale actually give him that particular book with that particular inscription, did we?
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...but I didn't think it'd happen in this episode until I saw the fly in his backyard. Then I knew.
Huh. How was that the tip-off?
Yeah I don't get that either.

For whatever reason, I think the ultimate use of the ricin capsule will be by Walt: suicide.
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Old September 3 2012, 07:23 PM   #414
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Oh, man ... what an episode! This is the best show ever!!! But dear god is the wait for next season going to hurt
Agree.

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If it was just the Meth, it's possible that Hank could let it slide.

But all those bodies.

Walt has to promise to die.

If Walt can't promise he'll be dead in 6 months, his freedom would be intolerable.

No matter the cost, the horrible cost.
Agree.
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Old September 3 2012, 08:30 PM   #415
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Wow.

So have we seen that copy of Leaves Of Grass before? I can never remember details from months or years back, so I googled around and found this on vulture:

I'm also annoyed by the book itself. I hauled out my DVDs from Seasons 3 and 4, trying to find a moment where Gale gives Walter an inscribed copy of Leaves of Grass, and I couldn't find one; maybe I overlooked it, and if so, I'm sure one of you will point me to the episode with exact timecode, because y'all are absolutely on-point that way, but this seems like a ret-con job to me. We saw Walt take a copy of Leaves of Grass out of a box at the start of this season, but I don't believe we ever saw Gale actually give him that particular book with that particular inscription, did we?
If I'm not mistaken, and I probably am, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the book the object at Gail's apartment that Walt (and Gus) needed to confiscate before the place was searched? Wasn't Victor the one who recovered the book (and was subsequently killed by Gus for being seen by the cops)? Or was that something else?
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Old September 3 2012, 09:29 PM   #416
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Now that the first half of Season 5 has finished airing, what do you guys think of the season so far?

I thought it was a good beginning with Walt's growing darkness and ego after taking down Gus, Jesse trying to be the peacekeeper between Walt and Mike which we knew wasn't going to last forever, and the rise and fall of their criminal partnership.

I am curious if at the end of last episode, Skyler is willing to give Walt and their marriage another chance after everything that has happened or is she putting on an act and binding her time until she makes her move aganist him for her sake and the sake of her children.
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Old September 3 2012, 10:05 PM   #417
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My guess on how this all ends is that Hank mills over this idea for a bit because he can't believe it's possible. Eventually he confronts Hank, who maybe tries to play it off. Then tries to tell Hank that he's out and fake begs that he's just a nerd that got over his head and he just wants out. When it's clear he isn't getting what he wants he goes full Heisenberg starts naming off all the crazy shit he's done under Hanks watch, which includes probably offing Mike and Brock, maybe even Jesse's ex girlfriend. Hank doesn't know what to do, so he leans on Jesse and lets him know about Mike, Brock, and the girl. This'll set up Walt Vs. Jesse for the final run.
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Old September 3 2012, 11:11 PM   #418
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For a moment, I imagined Hank totally losing it over all the times Walt more or less admitted to what he was doing with Hank taking it to be a joke (e.g. the money bag when he moved out of the house), running out of the bathroom and just gunning Walt down.
The book thing was perhaps a little contrived but I knew that the scene at the swimming pool was way too peaceful not to end badly. I originally thought one of Walt's business partners was going to shoot up the place. For that matter, I don't think Walt's really out. I mean, I'm sure he wants to be but I'm also sure Lydia and the Phoenix gang won't just accept that. Maybe it's one of them he'll gun down in the end?
I liked how Walt came to see the futility of his business by Skylar showing him the pile of money they can never spend. Before that, we got to see how the cooking had just become another job for him with Todd. I also liked him and Jesse reminiscing about old times - all while Jesse suspected Walt might try something. That was really tense.

So, how long do we have to wait for the rest of the season?
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Old September 3 2012, 11:41 PM   #419
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I can't imagine Hank confronting Walt and giving him a chance to lie without trying to build a case first. What if Walt ran? Then Hank would have nothing. Then there's the question of how will it look to Hank's subordinates and co-workers that Heisenberg was under Hank's nose all this time? That's why Hank's boss got canned over Gus Fring. It's all complicated. I think Hank goes after local dealers to try and get corroborating evidence and starts with one Jesse Pinkman. The potential for conflict is delicious, and we have Lydia and the Czech Madrigal element who are going to want their supply to continue. Hell.....could Walt play them off as the masterminds and himself more of a victim? Maybe he's turning state's evidence? Wouldn't that be something?

Or maybe it's like VG teased to Cranston about the flash forward without giving any more info: Walter is back to protect someone. Who? Himself? Jesse? Hank? Walter looked like Walter in the flash forward--not Heisenberg.
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Old September 4 2012, 12:35 AM   #420
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I can't imagine Hank confronting Walt and giving him a chance to lie without trying to build a case first. What if Walt ran? Then Hank would have nothing. Then there's the question of how will it look to Hank's subordinates and co-workers that Heisenberg was under Hank's nose all this time? That's why Hank's boss got canned over Gus Fring.
If Hank busts Heisenberg he will be a local DEA god regardless of the fact that Heisenberg was operating right under Hank's nose. The problem for Hank would be if someone else busts Heisenberg and Hank remains clueless -- that's what sank Hank's former boss. Gus was operating under his nose and it took Hank, who wasn't even a full time agent at the time, to turn the spotlight on Fring.

But Hank has the scent now, so there's no chance of anyone upstaging him.

What Hank might do is hand the information over to his team and let them start the investigation behind the scenes (as you suggest) while he pretends nothing has changed with Walt. This would allow him to stay close to Walt observe and gently probe when the opportunity presents itself. For now, the book is not a smoking gun, but something that is very suspicious.

I just thought, in just the last 3 episodes Walt has been directly, or indirectly, responsible for the deaths of 11 people. The killing is starting to be even worse than the meth dealing.
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