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Old September 1 2012, 04:34 PM   #271
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Re: Talk of Bryan Singer's BSG project resurfaces

Another reboot? Really?

Moore took a dodgy looking old sci-fi series (no offence to fans of it, but it is old) and made this epic, dynamic series. I'm not sure a reboot could stand up to it.

I wouldn't have thought it was even old enough to justify a reboot yet.
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Old September 1 2012, 05:27 PM   #272
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Um, Singer ISN'T doing a film with the original cast this is another reboot.
How many reboots do we need? I don't think we want too many retellings and new interpretations of the same old story. Of the two series the second one was more successful as it lasted 7 seasons, the original barely lasted one season, and I think their characters are not fully developed. For instance one of the characters is simply named Apollo and the other Starbuck, I guess they don't have last names in the original series, and it was never spelled out just how long a centon was either.
<Scratches head>7 Seasons? 4 Seasons of NuBSG, 1 Season of Caprica, where are you getting two more seasons from?
I must have been thinking of Star Trek the Next Generation, your right, Battlestar Galactica had 4 seasons, but the fact that they split up those seasons made it seem like more. Battlestar Galactica was more successful than the original series, and more importantly, it came to a natural end, rather than have the network pull the plug and have it automatically go into reruns as occured in the 1970s series. I really hated it when they did it that way. I didn't like it when they did that to Buck Rogers in the 25th century either, they start something and then they don't finish it, that was a grand old 1970s science fiction tradition, they didn't believe much in finishing anything. The Original Star Trek didn't finish either.
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Old September 1 2012, 05:30 PM   #273
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Another reboot? Really?

Moore took a dodgy looking old sci-fi series (no offence to fans of it, but it is old) and made this epic, dynamic series. I'm not sure a reboot could stand up to it.

I wouldn't have thought it was even old enough to justify a reboot yet.
It is really too soon to do a reboot, because where does it stop? Someone says, here's my version of BSG, and there's yours, anyone for a third or a forth? I'd much rather they do a sequel to it, I'm not much for prequels, it tends to take away the suspense knowing how its all going to end.
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Old September 1 2012, 05:33 PM   #274
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^^^ That came from all that half-season nonsense that seemed to be prevalent during that time. IIRC, Sopranos was one of the first to do that. Thankfully, we don't see as much of that anymore.
One thing I do miss is the Science Fiction Channel doesn't do classic sci fi shows like that anymore.
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Old September 2 2012, 01:02 AM   #275
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I wouldn't have thought it was even old enough to justify a reboot yet.
The Spider-Man film series is only a year older than nuBSG and that has already been rebooted.
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Old September 2 2012, 01:11 AM   #276
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I wouldn't have thought it was even old enough to justify a reboot yet.
The Spider-Man film series is only a year older than nuBSG and that has already been rebooted.
With films it's different, BSG started in 2003, so shouldn't you really go from the end of the series?
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Old September 2 2012, 01:18 AM   #277
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I wouldn't have thought it was even old enough to justify a reboot yet.
The Spider-Man film series is only a year older than nuBSG and that has already been rebooted.
With films it's different, BSG started in 2003, so shouldn't you really go from the end of the series?
BSG ended in 2009, and I don't imagine such a movie will be out before 2014, about five years after it ended. As it turns out, its been five years since the last Spider-Man movie was released. I doubt anyone in Hollywood is going to think it's too soon for a new BSG.
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Old September 2 2012, 03:17 AM   #278
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There are not "lots of fans" of the original BSG to build a new project upon - there are a few, most of them older, as both oldBSG forums on the web and attempts to hold oldBSG conventions have demonstrated.
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Old September 2 2012, 03:32 AM   #279
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^^^ That came from all that half-season nonsense that seemed to be prevalent during that time. IIRC, Sopranos was one of the first to do that. Thankfully, we don't see as much of that anymore.
That must be because you don't watch SyFy Channel (Or much else on TV). They have always shown their 20 episode Series broken in half, 10 episodes at a time. Farscape did it, STargates did it, and the CUrrent Series still do it.

Walking Dead also showed S2 in 2 halves last year, and Doctor Who has been broken up last Series and this.

CW does the same thing. It's actually very common nowadays for a show to go on hiatus before Christmas and not start up again until late January or later. It's true SyFy Channel is more extreme in having a half year seperating the two parts, rather than only 2 or 3 months, but, it is common to split seasons nowadays
CW doesn't do what you are referring. All network shows take a break during the Christmas holiday. Stopping anywhere between End of November mid Dec and restarting anywhere between mid to end of January. HUt levels (homes watching tv) drops dramatically for the bulk of tv, minus football during the week of Thanksgiving, it doesn't really recover until mid January. Network series are two costly to waste in a period where ad rates will plummet. Its also why you don't see network fare for scripted shows during the summer, it isn't financially viable.

Now cable, which isn't beholden to produce 6 2 to three hour nights of original programming, can focus their expenses, air the same episode multiple times, and focus their marketing to actually have some success in these normally slow periods. It also doesn't hurt that cost are almost always cheaper for Cable series then Network. As the guild minimums for all trade groups (actors, writers, directors, stage hands, art department, ect are all lower then what networks are required to pay.

They are talking about shows having a season order, that would get produced during one tv season year (typically September 20th to end of May the next year). What cable has done is to cut production cost (as its costly to restart production for each season, more so then the cost of normally filming an episode), by filming two seasons that would be shown in two different tv seasons and writing and producing them in the span of what would normally be one year.

The CW like the other networks film a full slate of episodes (whatever that order might be typically between 13-22 episodes) and then broadcast them in one tv season. At most some shows that have some delaying behind the scenes issues might start normally and then be hold, or shows that start normal but fall to perform might be held to burn off during the next summer (or Christmas break), but thats about it.

Here's a new example, Teen Wolf was able to qualify for a reduction in taxes, but only if they filmed at least 20 episodes in one season. So, to save money they are filming and writing those twenty episodes and they will most likely (though it hasn't been decided yet) air them over two tv seasons, in its case probably two summer runs. It will be a substantial savings.
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Old September 3 2012, 04:29 PM   #280
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Eh, as I said, it's not as extreme as SyFy Channel (6 to 9 months between the two halves of the Season), but, a 2 - 3 month break, is still a split season (Start in early Fall, take off 2 - 3 months and finish in Late Spring)
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Old September 3 2012, 07:26 PM   #281
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Eh, as I said, it's not as extreme as SyFy Channel (6 to 9 months between the two halves of the Season), but, a 2 - 3 month break, is still a split season (Start in early Fall, take off 2 - 3 months and finish in Late Spring)
The SyFy channel has a strange way of airing reruns, what they do is hold marathons and have back to back episodes of a particular show within one or two days, kind of inconvenant for people that don't have all day to do nothing but watch television.
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Old September 3 2012, 08:22 PM   #282
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Eh, as I said, it's not as extreme as SyFy Channel (6 to 9 months between the two halves of the Season), but, a 2 - 3 month break, is still a split season (Start in early Fall, take off 2 - 3 months and finish in Late Spring)
The SyFy channel has a strange way of airing reruns, what they do is hold marathons and have back to back episodes of a particular show within one or two days, kind of inconvenant for people that don't have all day to do nothing but watch television.
Not sure what that has to do with the Season splits?
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Old September 4 2012, 01:52 PM   #283
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Eh, as I said, it's not as extreme as SyFy Channel (6 to 9 months between the two halves of the Season), but, a 2 - 3 month break, is still a split season (Start in early Fall, take off 2 - 3 months and finish in Late Spring)
The SyFy channel has a strange way of airing reruns, what they do is hold marathons and have back to back episodes of a particular show within one or two days, kind of inconvenant for people that don't have all day to do nothing but watch television.
Not sure what that has to do with the Season splits?
I think SyFy has stretched the definition of a season. I have the whole series on DVD, and I bought each season half individually except for Season one and season three. I think the reason they do this is because each show has so much preproduction that they need some lead time to fully produce the shows, and they can't keep up with a weekly airtime schedule without large breaks in between to catch up.

The comment about reruns is just a complaint I have about the SyFy channel in general, they don't have a regular schedule, there is no time I can tune in and get the show I want to see. If I want to see reruns of Battlestar Galactica, I need to know which day they are running the marathon on and take the day off, or I have to tell people not to watch anything else while I am recording this all on DVR, and you know of course that DVRs drop the oldest shows recorded in order to record new shows when disk space runs out.
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Old September 4 2012, 01:59 PM   #284
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^^^ That came from all that half-season nonsense that seemed to be prevalent during that time. IIRC, Sopranos was one of the first to do that. Thankfully, we don't see as much of that anymore.
That must be because you don't watch SyFy Channel (Or much else on TV). They have always shown their 20 episode Series broken in half, 10 episodes at a time. Farscape did it, STargates did it, and the CUrrent Series still do it.

Walking Dead also showed S2 in 2 halves last year, and Doctor Who has been broken up last Series and this.

CW does the same thing. It's actually very common nowadays for a show to go on hiatus before Christmas and not start up again until late January or later. It's true SyFy Channel is more extreme in having a half year seperating the two parts, rather than only 2 or 3 months, but, it is common to split seasons nowadays
CW doesn't do what you are referring. All network shows take a break during the Christmas holiday. Stopping anywhere between End of November mid Dec and restarting anywhere between mid to end of January. HUt levels (homes watching tv) drops dramatically for the bulk of tv, minus football during the week of Thanksgiving, it doesn't really recover until mid January. Network series are two costly to waste in a period where ad rates will plummet. Its also why you don't see network fare for scripted shows during the summer, it isn't financially viable.

Now cable, which isn't beholden to produce 6 2 to three hour nights of original programming, can focus their expenses, air the same episode multiple times, and focus their marketing to actually have some success in these normally slow periods. It also doesn't hurt that cost are almost always cheaper for Cable series then Network. As the guild minimums for all trade groups (actors, writers, directors, stage hands, art department, ect are all lower then what networks are required to pay.

They are talking about shows having a season order, that would get produced during one tv season year (typically September 20th to end of May the next year). What cable has done is to cut production cost (as its costly to restart production for each season, more so then the cost of normally filming an episode), by filming two seasons that would be shown in two different tv seasons and writing and producing them in the span of what would normally be one year.

The CW like the other networks film a full slate of episodes (whatever that order might be typically between 13-22 episodes) and then broadcast them in one tv season. At most some shows that have some delaying behind the scenes issues might start normally and then be hold, or shows that start normal but fall to perform might be held to burn off during the next summer (or Christmas break), but thats about it.

Here's a new example, Teen Wolf was able to qualify for a reduction in taxes, but only if they filmed at least 20 episodes in one season. So, to save money they are filming and writing those twenty episodes and they will most likely (though it hasn't been decided yet) air them over two tv seasons, in its case probably two summer runs. It will be a substantial savings.
It is interesting that you say this, because a lot of movies are often released around Christmas and they are often more expensive to produce than television shows, so its not true that people don't watch movies around Christmas.
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