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Old August 31 2012, 10:49 AM   #211
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Actually no, no proof was given, and I'l ltell you why.
Those two drunk elderly English guys only showed how to make a crudely made circle with a board and string.....yet, I look and read the interviews of these guys....and compare it to the amazing circles and formations showing incredible, mathmatical properties and tetrahedral geometry......I seriously think those two guys coould not even spell tetrahedron, let alone know any geometry. Also, their circles, besides crude and sloppy are nothing compared to the incredible ones I've seen for the past 20 years...plus if they did it, they never showed how to make these mega intricate circles, never shown. If they show how they do these, and inthe short time, often overnight, at which these appear...then I could consider them an answer. Also, if they admitted to doing it, why do they keep doing it is they are the guity ones?

Plus, like I said, I doubt a pair of old, tipsy English guys could make these:

http://www.earthfiles.com/images/new...heat082612.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/images/new...tern073012.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/images/new...gton072912.jpg
And given that now more and more are having binary coded messages, that even sheds more doubt on those old, drunken fools. Those designs above, plus many more I've seen sure give a lot of oooomph, if you ask me.

And as for intervention, I mentioned that many instances, made by people from the military, came foreward and talked about how they encountered UFO's that 'turned off' their nucealr misisle silos......I think that's pretty much a good deal of intervention on their part.....intervening when they really, really need to. It's like when you have 2 bratty kids ready to get into a fight, and each grabs a big, pointy stick. If you walked by them and saw this, if one is a responsible person, you'd go and stop the fight, and that their sticks from then. I think they've intervined many times.
I can't see any of those links, they all come up forbidden

I would like to read the proof that nuclear missile silos were turned off.
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Old August 31 2012, 10:57 AM   #212
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I have seen so many strange and amazing things to think that all the universe and beyond consists of only taxes and a 6 foot hole in the ground and then there's nothing. All we claim to know is really just speculation on our parts.
My personal theology is that the most important thing in our lives is relationships, whether that be lovers, children or some dude we chat to at the bus stop.
1: If we are all there is, god sure has a small mind and limited power...plus vey impractical, due to the fact that the universe is a rather large place.
2: If we are god's greatest creation, he/she/it needs practise, since we are not doing so well, and he/she/it is flawed right there.
3: If anything, alien life should make your god GREATER and all that.
4: The bible belt folks have a whole new species to try and convert and 'save'.
I absolutely agree with this. This is why I, naturally and perhaps narrowly skeptical about the existence of aliens cannot dismiss the possibility. It stems from a belief in something greater than what we see, perhaps no more than a faith or hope in such a thing. Whatever.. personal god, great net of energy, faux quantum physics.. they all point to it being rather more likely that there is someone out there than that there is not.

I answered this question recently when some troll IRL asked me if I believed in aliens (it was a dig at Star Trek):

If there IS a god, then what seems more likely, that we would be the only life god ever created or that in this vast universe god would have created more life?

If there IS nothing but evolution then what seems more likely, that we are the only planet that ever evolved life or that in this vast universe more life would have evolved?

So. I'm no believer but as far as the odds go I'm thinking we are not alone.
To me, there's more than relationships that's important, myself, I feel that finding knowledge and answers to really big questions is the important part. If an alien vessel landed by here and the aliens offered me a chance to get the hell off this rock, and see what's out there, though I'd might never get to come back, I'd just grab a suitcase of extra clothes, my cat, and hop on the ship.

As I mentioned, if something has good substance to it, it does become accepted later on.....people, especially in authority postions used to believe in these:

The Earth is Flat
Man can not fly
Man will never go to the moon

And those sure as hell changed in time. I feel this shall as well, regarding alien life. Only those with something to lose will panic.
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Old August 31 2012, 10:57 AM   #213
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Sorry, messed up the quotes, this is mine that The Castellan is responding to.

Surely, the native myths and that American Indians are human, make it more likely that the aliens aren't aliens, but an ancient advanced human civilization. They're knowledge of human psychology is why they stay intermittently involved with Earth. To let us evolve as much as possible with self determination, but interfering enough to keep the baser violent aspects of human nature to get the better of us. Thus the rare visits of 'gods' like Kukulkan, Krishna, Jesus, Buddha and other advanced society changing great minds of the past.

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Well, judging from cave painting, statues and so on, many of them were not human looking either. I am not saying it's not the case, but I don't see how that reason is more acceptible than an actual ET visitation.
Simply applying Occams razor, there's we know humans are here and evolved here. There's nothing needed to prove their existence. True extra-terrestrials require proof of existing at all, that existing they have the technology and will to come here, coming here that there would be any interest in interacting with us. Sure, they may exist, but there needs to be more than supposition. As mentioned earlier, primitive man wouldn't know what to make of our own modest technology. What would they, or us, make of human civilization 10,000 years from now, adapted to life in space with technology to match?
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Old August 31 2012, 11:00 AM   #214
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You know what would really upset me? If I die in my eighties in bed and one week later aliens make first contact. I've let my family know how angry I will be about this so if such a thing occurs their excitement over first contact is tempered by their pangs knowing I missed it.
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Old August 31 2012, 11:02 AM   #215
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Actually no, no proof was given, and I'l ltell you why.
Those two drunk elderly English guys only showed how to make a crudely made circle with a board and string.....yet, I look and read the interviews of these guys....and compare it to the amazing circles and formations showing incredible, mathmatical properties and tetrahedral geometry......I seriously think those two guys coould not even spell tetrahedron, let alone know any geometry. Also, their circles, besides crude and sloppy are nothing compared to the incredible ones I've seen for the past 20 years...plus if they did it, they never showed how to make these mega intricate circles, never shown. If they show how they do these, and inthe short time, often overnight, at which these appear...then I could consider them an answer. Also, if they admitted to doing it, why do they keep doing it is they are the guity ones?

Plus, like I said, I doubt a pair of old, tipsy English guys could make these:

http://www.earthfiles.com/images/new...heat082612.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/images/new...tern073012.jpg

http://www.earthfiles.com/images/new...gton072912.jpg
And given that now more and more are having binary coded messages, that even sheds more doubt on those old, drunken fools. Those designs above, plus many more I've seen sure give a lot of oooomph, if you ask me.

And as for intervention, I mentioned that many instances, made by people from the military, came foreward and talked about how they encountered UFO's that 'turned off' their nucealr misisle silos......I think that's pretty much a good deal of intervention on their part.....intervening when they really, really need to. It's like when you have 2 bratty kids ready to get into a fight, and each grabs a big, pointy stick. If you walked by them and saw this, if one is a responsible person, you'd go and stop the fight, and that their sticks from then. I think they've intervined many times.
I can't see any of those links, they all come up forbidden

I would like to read the proof that nuclear missile silos were turned off.

Well, here's where I got the pictures:
http://www.earthfiles.com/ Good site, and Linda has won the Emmy for her work and other rewards for her journalism. You'll find the pictures there, amongst other things. I tune into the radio when she's on and she does appear on Ancient Aliens.

And I believe the military folks who are now coming out after all these years and speaking of their experiences, the ones they were told 'never happened' by their superiors. And I commend them. Search around that site for those ones, and remember, do your own research as well, that's the best way to do it.
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Old August 31 2012, 11:10 AM   #216
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As I mentioned, if something has good substance to it, it does become accepted later on.....people, especially in authority postions used to believe in these:

The Earth is Flat
Man can not fly
Man will never go to the moon

And those sure as hell changed in time. I feel this shall as well, regarding alien life. Only those with something to lose will panic.
As to the Earth being flat, only landlubbers ever thought that. Seafarers throughout history knew otherwise.

Man cannot fly.

I never heard of anyone saying man will never go to the Moon.
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Sorry, messed up the quotes, this is mine that The Castellan is responding to.

Surely, the native myths and that American Indians are human, make it more likely that the aliens aren't aliens, but an ancient advanced human civilization. They're knowledge of human psychology is why they stay intermittently involved with Earth. To let us evolve as much as possible with self determination, but interfering enough to keep the baser violent aspects of human nature to get the better of us. Thus the rare visits of 'gods' like Kukulkan, Krishna, Jesus, Buddha and other advanced society changing great minds of the past.

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Well, judging from cave painting, statues and so on, many of them were not human looking either. I am not saying it's not the case, but I don't see how that reason is more acceptible than an actual ET visitation.
Simply applying Occams razor, there's we know humans are here and evolved here. There's nothing needed to prove their existence. True extra-terrestrials require proof of existing at all, that existing they have the technology and will to come here, coming here that there would be any interest in interacting with us. Sure, they may exist, but there needs to be more than supposition. As mentioned earlier, primitive man wouldn't know what to make of our own modest technology. What would they, or us, make of human civilization 10,000 years from now, adapted to life in space with technology to match?
Problem is,especially in western culture, the topic is taboo, and many are afraid to speak of it, in fear people will ridicule them or laugh at them. I've had quite a few tin foil hat jokes thrown at me, some from this very site, but I don't let it stop me. But some folks are. Also, we know that our governments never really work in our best interests....they lie about everything....even the media cristisizes them, EXCEPT when it comes to UFO topics, THEN they believe anything they say. Also, we been lied to for years, be it weapons of mass destruction, justification for Vietnam, and so on. I spoke to a few of the people from Roswell and other sites where stuff was said to have crashed...and they, both the old timers that were adults there, and the ones who were kids, state that when the military arrived, they were treated extremely bad....told to be quiet and were threatend with bodily harm and even death, not only to them, but to their children....now if only one o two people said this, it would be a so-so story, but many have said this....be it residents of the town, or the Native Americans who lived near by. I see nothing that's justified by threated people, especially kids, about anything.....and we all know who crooked and corrupt people in power is. Happens all over, and America is not immune, we're probably the worst in that field.

And call me crazy, but I'd rather believe the words of regular, honest folks like you and me than some politician in a suit or some officer in uniform....especially seeing as how crappy our world is doing these days. And there should be othing wrong to ask questions, especially ones that not many ask, regarding things, especially if the answers could change the world as we know it. We need to be able to ask the questions and NOT be punished or branded as a lunatic for asking them.
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As to the Earth being flat, only landlubbers ever thought that. Seafarers throughout history knew otherwise.
Actually not even landlubbers thought that - the flat earth thing is only an 18th century invention, really. A gag that went too far.

The fact of the Earth being spheroid had been known since at least Ancient Greece - Columbus (and others) merely thought it was a lot smaller than it is, and didn't anticipate there being enough room for a whole extra continent...
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Here's what I don't understand about abductions. Supposedly they have been abducting humans and probing them for centuries now. Surely they, Mr. Interstellar Travellers, have found out everything there is to know by now? They are already FAR beyond us in science and probing science and yet they still keep scooping people up and examining them.

How many cows do we dissect to find out more about cows these days? And we're primitives!

I can't help but suspect there is some sadism involved here. Either that or they are getting paid by their authorities for the "research", like the Japanese with the whales.
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I like the Supernatural theory that it's actually a mischievous demon messing with us.
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Here's what I don't understand about abductions. Supposedly they have been abducting humans and probing them for centuries now. Surely they, Mr. Interstellar Travellers, have found out everything there is to know by now? They are already FAR beyond us in science and probing science and yet they still keep scooping people up and examining them.

How many cows do we dissect to find out more about cows these days? And we're primitives!

I can't help but suspect there is some sadism involved here. Either that or they are getting paid by their authorities for the "research", like the Japanese with the whales.
Perhaps there's something they need from those animals....some sort of nutrients, maybe genetic material or something. I also think with people, they are keeping eyes on them how they are, like when we catch and tag and animal and release them. And as I mentioned, we're dealing with aliens, whom might have a completely different mentality than we do. Also, I have heard of various hybrids being made and they are let into our own world and blend in, it's a pretty interesting way to learn things....also, I have seen really weird looking folks and gotten.....interesting vibes, like they are really not from around here. Maybe they are also tying to improve themselves and/or ourselves.

Also, like I said, some are probably good, some are probably bad. We gotta learn about them and be aware of their existence first before getting all the other answers.
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I like the Supernatural theory that it's actually a mischievous demon messing with us.
As do the bible belt folks who are against the idea of alien life of any kind.
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If you allow that demons are possible then you must allow that aliens are possible too.
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If you allow that demons are possible then you must allow that aliens are possible too.
I just want to know what Satan needs a starship for.
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If you allow that demons are possible then you must allow that aliens are possible too.
I just want to know what Satan needs a starship for.
Well heck.
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