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Old August 31 2012, 05:09 AM   #16
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Re: A Vulcan raised by elves

Holo wife is a holo Vulcan. The holograms are limited by their programming.
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Old August 31 2012, 05:17 AM   #17
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I mean holo-wife could not do the telepathy deal either.

But okay, how about if when he goes through Pon Farr he obviously has NO idea what is going on, goes psychotic and kills a bunch of elves. That would be what leads to his banishment, deep into the program.
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Old August 31 2012, 05:22 AM   #18
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I mean holo-wife could not do the telepathy deal either.

But okay, how about if when he goes through Pon Farr he obviously has NO idea what is going on, goes psychotic and kills a bunch of elves. That would be what leads to his banishment, deep into the program.
What happens to Vulcans who don't get bonded?

Is banishment part of the program? Does the computer know who's real and who's holo?
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Old August 31 2012, 05:30 AM   #19
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I think the only ones that don't get bonded have some reason their society would not want them to not breed. Marriages are arranged so everybody gets somebody. There are probably drugs, meditation techniques and V'shar style brainwashing to get the duds through the pon farr cycle. Or perhaps they just eunuch-ize them.

I'm going to assume that the LOTR program is organically developing according to events. Perhaps there is a timetable for programmed "random" events but these can be interrupted. For instance say the Uruk-hai are scheduled to descend upon a forest glade and slay everyone.. but if the living players in this holoprogram happened to kill that nest of Uruk-hai before this programmed event occurred it would not occur. While our Vulcan is only one person and not "playing" with any guidelines he will still interact in ways which change the environment, such as going pyscho during pon farr.

I was only suggesting banishment would make sense as a punitive measure chosen by elves, though I do recall some chose a kind of self-banishment in the books which involved departing across the sea never to return.
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Old August 31 2012, 12:40 PM   #20
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I mean holo-wife could not do the telepathy deal either.

But okay, how about if when he goes through Pon Farr he obviously has NO idea what is going on, goes psychotic and kills a bunch of elves. That would be what leads to his banishment, deep into the program.
Plenty of elven women I think, if the vulcan is rather handsome, it should not be a problem. Most holodeck programs have safety protocols as well, so even if he does get in trouble with the elves, he'll survive and perhaps attribute it to either luck or skill.
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Old August 31 2012, 12:41 PM   #21
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I mean holo-wife could not do the telepathy deal either.

But okay, how about if when he goes through Pon Farr he obviously has NO idea what is going on, goes psychotic and kills a bunch of elves. That would be what leads to his banishment, deep into the program.
A vulcan who thinks he is an elf would not think that he's supposed to have telepathy and thus would not miss it, when he first encounters a real person, he might discover telepathy for the first time.
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Old August 31 2012, 12:43 PM   #22
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I think the only ones that don't get bonded have some reason their society would not want them to not breed. Marriages are arranged so everybody gets somebody. There are probably drugs, meditation techniques and V'shar style brainwashing to get the duds through the pon farr cycle. Or perhaps they just eunuch-ize them.

I'm going to assume that the LOTR program is organically developing according to events. Perhaps there is a timetable for programmed "random" events but these can be interrupted. For instance say the Uruk-hai are scheduled to descend upon a forest glade and slay everyone.. but if the living players in this holoprogram happened to kill that nest of Uruk-hai before this programmed event occurred it would not occur. While our Vulcan is only one person and not "playing" with any guidelines he will still interact in ways which change the environment, such as going pyscho during pon farr.

I was only suggesting banishment would make sense as a punitive measure chosen by elves, though I do recall some chose a kind of self-banishment in the books which involved departing across the sea never to return.
Maybe they'll send him out on a quest with Frodo Baggins to get rid of some ring.
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Old August 31 2012, 01:02 PM   #23
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I mean holo-wife could not do the telepathy deal either.

But okay, how about if when he goes through Pon Farr he obviously has NO idea what is going on, goes psychotic and kills a bunch of elves. That would be what leads to his banishment, deep into the program.
A vulcan who thinks he is an elf would not think that he's supposed to have telepathy and thus would not miss it, when he first encounters a real person, he might discover telepathy for the first time.
That's so true. His telapathy would have NOTHING to be aware of.. other than perhaps complete absence of personhood from the holograms.

I predict the Vulcan would decide he must be a superior being because of this. Don't forget it's not all about ears.. I doubt the Vulcans and the Elves bleed the same color so early on he would have become aware of his difference.
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Old August 31 2012, 01:11 PM   #24
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So his answer would be a different kind of elf, though of what kind he knows not. There are a huge variety of creatures on Middle Earth, thus a Star Trek Alien would fit right in. So this Vulcan would set out on a quest to find his people, a good start for an adventure.
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Old August 31 2012, 01:16 PM   #25
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He would seek those that bleed like the grass.
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Old August 31 2012, 04:34 PM   #26
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He would seek those that bleed like the grass.
Probably when Frodo finally manages to destroy the One Ring, a few months after that the Holodeck Program would end.
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Old August 31 2012, 05:30 PM   #27
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So the safety protocols are off?
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Old September 1 2012, 02:19 AM   #28
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Yes lets have them off.
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Actually the Holodecks allow for crossover as an integral part of the setting, that's what they're there for! So sure, there could be a "Lord of the Rings" Holodeck program,
There could be many things, but not Lord of the Rings. Copyright law and all that, and the current license holders of LOTR film material are fairly litigious (they wanted to shut down a pub because it was called the Hobbit).

I could see a Star Trek series doing a holodeck pastiche of Lord of the Rings, in the same way that Dixon Hill takes his cues from Philip Marlowe and Captain Proton is basically Flash Gordon, but not actually use Tolkein's legendarium.
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Old September 13 2012, 02:25 AM   #30
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Actually the Holodecks allow for crossover as an integral part of the setting, that's what they're there for! So sure, there could be a "Lord of the Rings" Holodeck program,
There could be many things, but not Lord of the Rings. Copyright law and all that, and the current license holders of LOTR film material are fairly litigious (they wanted to shut down a pub because it was called the Hobbit).

I could see a Star Trek series doing a holodeck pastiche of Lord of the Rings, in the same way that Dixon Hill takes his cues from Philip Marlowe and Captain Proton is basically Flash Gordon, but not actually use Tolkein's legendarium.
You could called it Generic Standard Fantasy otherwise known as "Dungeons & Dragons". the typical Generic Standard Fantasy involves an Earthlike planet with elves, dwarves, gnomes, halflings, half-elves, and humans, typical evil races are orcs, goblins, hobgoblins, gnolls, lizardmen, trolls, giants, dragons, and the undead are skeletons, zombies, wraiths, ghosts, vampires, liches, ghasts, ghouls. Typical standard characters are fighters, rangers, wizards, clerics, rogues, paladins, bards, druids, sorcerers. Those are your basic cast of characters that would appear in a Generic Standard Fantasy Holodeck program.
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