First Season Theme Music Change - Page 2

Indysolo · August 28 2012, 03:07 AM

The vocal in season three is very much real. I'm listening to her right now.

Neil

ssosmcin · August 28 2012, 03:55 AM

See what I mean? Oh and jealous.

plynch · August 29 2012, 03:52 AM

There is vocal in the Cage. None in S1, either version. Back in S2. I assume someone re-recorded, and they didn't somehow remove her vocal from the 1965 mix. Someone with knowledge and not speculation, feel free to chime in.

What is the evidence anyone has for a re-recording, S3? What would be the point? It's the same arr., with vocal, yes? I'm going to bed and will cf. them tomorrow.

ssosmcin · August 29 2012, 04:50 AM

Honestly, all you have to do is listen to both the 2nd and 3rd season themes to know they're different. The very first note of the 3rd season theme is a higher pitch and doesn't even sound like the same instrument. Then a harp thingy comes in a second later that's not in the 2nd season recording. The vocal is mixed differently also. The 2nd season sounds like a singer, the 3rd is more ghostly.

IIRC, union rules required the theme be rerecorded every year.

Indysolo · August 29 2012, 07:53 AM

plynch wrote:

What is the evidence anyone has for a re-recording, S3?

Here's a photo of me holding a tape with dubs of the separate season 2 and 3 Main and End Titles. We're not using it since we found better material for the set.

plynch wrote:

What would be the point?

Union rules.

Neil

TREK_GOD_1 · August 30 2012, 01:52 AM

A little off topic, but i'm SO thrilled about the TOS soundtrack box set. I've wanted all of the music since I was a kid, and finally...it is coming!

plynch · August 31 2012, 03:15 AM

ssosmcin wrote:

Honestly, all you have to do is listen to both the 2nd and 3rd season themes to know they're different.

Yeah, i just hadn't done that yet. Hence the question. I've heard "union rules" cited before. Yet there are plent of shows from that era whose themes sound the same from one year to the next.

Indysolo · August 31 2012, 04:07 AM

You'll get to hear both main titles a few times on our set and you'll be able to hear the difference for sure.

Neil

ssosmcin · August 31 2012, 03:03 PM

plynch wrote:

ssosmcin wrote:

Honestly, all you have to do is listen to both the 2nd and 3rd season themes to know they're different.

Yeah, i just hadn't done that yet. Hence the question. I've heard "union rules" cited before. Yet there are plent of shows from that era whose themes sound the same from one year to the next.

I agree, espcially over at 20th century Fox where the same music was heard season after season. Either Fox had an out, were under different regulations or they were ignoring the union rules which may or my not have been enforced all that stringently. Irwin Allen, for example, only seemed to change his theme music because he felt the show needed a goosing.

doubleohfive · August 31 2012, 09:28 PM

Well, the thing to remember is lots of shows sold in to reruns typically will have amended opening credits sequences that sometimes differ from how they were originally broadcast. The same way episodes are sometimes cut to fit a standard for syndication, this might well have been part of the 'package' the original series was sold as in to reruns.

I mean, let's look at the other Trek series. TNG's opening theme was basically the same after the second season, with minor edits and flourishes added through the years; Deep Space Nine and Enterprise had two distinct versions, and Voyager's was the only one that was the same arrangement, instrumentation and performance through its entire run.

plynch · September 2 2012, 04:48 AM

Good point. What we hear in reruns or on discs isn't what was original. Though reruns of MASH had the different arrangements for different seasons. And that was a Fox, show, come to think of it.

ssosmcin · September 2 2012, 08:17 PM

There is no "be-all" rule. TV shows on DVD are either correct or they aren't. Bewitched is not; the main themes are pretty much wrong for the majority of the run on video. MASH is right. Lost in Space is right. Voyage has a screw up or two. Star Trek's first season is all over the map on Blu-Ray. Twilight Zone is accurate. It all depends.

plynch · September 3 2012, 04:07 AM

I have no blu-ray. But I watched a TOS-r on netflix. They rerecorded the theme for that project, yes?

I need to stop caring about this.

ssosmcin · September 3 2012, 07:17 PM

Yep, that they did.

JimZipCode · September 7 2012, 06:28 PM

ssosmcin wrote:

I'm hoping some of these questions will be answered with the 15 CD box set comes out

Wait. What 15-CD box set????

August 28 2012, 03:07 AM	#16
Indysolo Fleet Captain Location: Sunny California	Re: First Season Theme Music Change The vocal in season three is very much real. I'm listening to her right now. Neil __________________ "Garret Wang's costume was so 'West Hollywood', I offered to be best man at his wedding." -Walter Koenig on Garret Wang's Of Gods and Men costume

August 28 2012, 03:55 AM	#17
ssosmcin Commodore Location: New Yawk	Re: First Season Theme Music Change See what I mean? Oh and jealous. __________________ "Tranya is people!"

August 29 2012, 03:52 AM	#18
plynch Fleet Captain Location: Outer Graceland	Re: First Season Theme Music Change There is vocal in the Cage. None in S1, either version. Back in S2. I assume someone re-recorded, and they didn't somehow remove her vocal from the 1965 mix. Someone with knowledge and not speculation, feel free to chime in. What is the evidence anyone has for a re-recording, S3? What would be the point? It's the same arr., with vocal, yes? I'm going to bed and will cf. them tomorrow. __________________ Author of Live Like Louis: Inspirational Stories from the Life of Louis Armstrong, http://livelikelouis.com.

August 29 2012, 04:50 AM	#19
ssosmcin Commodore Location: New Yawk	Re: First Season Theme Music Change Honestly, all you have to do is listen to both the 2nd and 3rd season themes to know they're different. The very first note of the 3rd season theme is a higher pitch and doesn't even sound like the same instrument. Then a harp thingy comes in a second later that's not in the 2nd season recording. The vocal is mixed differently also. The 2nd season sounds like a singer, the 3rd is more ghostly. IIRC, union rules required the theme be rerecorded every year. __________________ "Tranya is people!" Last edited by ssosmcin; August 29 2012 at 01:43 PM.

August 30 2012, 01:52 AM	#21
TREK_GOD_1 Captain Location: Delta Vega	Re: First Season Theme Music Change A little off topic, but i'm SO thrilled about the TOS soundtrack box set. I've wanted all of the music since I was a kid, and finally...it is coming! __________________ "...to be like God, you have the power to make the world anything you want it to be."

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August 31 2012, 04:07 AM	#23
Indysolo Fleet Captain Location: Sunny California	Re: First Season Theme Music Change You'll get to hear both main titles a few times on our set and you'll be able to hear the difference for sure. Neil __________________ "Garret Wang's costume was so 'West Hollywood', I offered to be best man at his wedding." -Walter Koenig on Garret Wang's Of Gods and Men costume

August 31 2012, 09:28 PM	#25
doubleohfive Fleet Admiral Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: First Season Theme Music Change Well, the thing to remember is lots of shows sold in to reruns typically will have amended opening credits sequences that sometimes differ from how they were originally broadcast. The same way episodes are sometimes cut to fit a standard for syndication, this might well have been part of the 'package' the original series was sold as in to reruns. I mean, let's look at the other Trek series. TNG's opening theme was basically the same after the second season, with minor edits and flourishes added through the years; Deep Space Nine and Enterprise had two distinct versions, and Voyager's was the only one that was the same arrangement, instrumentation and performance through its entire run. __________________ "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." -Voltaire

September 2 2012, 04:48 AM	#26
plynch Fleet Captain Location: Outer Graceland	Re: First Season Theme Music Change Good point. What we hear in reruns or on discs isn't what was original. Though reruns of MASH had the different arrangements for different seasons. And that was a Fox, show, come to think of it. __________________ Author of Live Like Louis: Inspirational Stories from the Life of Louis Armstrong, http://livelikelouis.com.

September 2 2012, 08:17 PM	#27
ssosmcin Commodore Location: New Yawk	Re: First Season Theme Music Change There is no "be-all" rule. TV shows on DVD are either correct or they aren't. Bewitched is not; the main themes are pretty much wrong for the majority of the run on video. MASH is right. Lost in Space is right. Voyage has a screw up or two. Star Trek's first season is all over the map on Blu-Ray. Twilight Zone is accurate. It all depends. __________________ "Tranya is people!"

September 3 2012, 04:07 AM	#28
plynch Fleet Captain Location: Outer Graceland	Re: First Season Theme Music Change I have no blu-ray. But I watched a TOS-r on netflix. They rerecorded the theme for that project, yes? I need to stop caring about this. __________________ Author of Live Like Louis: Inspirational Stories from the Life of Louis Armstrong, http://livelikelouis.com.

September 3 2012, 07:17 PM	#29
ssosmcin Commodore Location: New Yawk	Re: First Season Theme Music Change Yep, that they did. __________________ "Tranya is people!"