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Old August 30 2012, 07:23 AM   #61
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Cool news. Depending on the focus and who gets cast, I'll be interested in watching this. I do wonder if SLJ will be involved any way despite the show being "autonomous."
I think it'd be neat if they got him to appear in a cameo in the pilot. That'd probably be all they could get out of him, though.
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Old August 30 2012, 09:53 AM   #62
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Interesting factoid, this is also the first Marvel TV project that has been greenlit from development to production. The others that Christopher mentioned for instance, are still in development.
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Old August 30 2012, 11:38 AM   #63
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I'm sure there will be a past Whedon show actor as one of the regulars on this. Possibly more than one... There will definitely be guest star appearances as well.

I think the show could also be a good platform to then 'spin-off' into other areas. We've heard Cloak & Dagger and Mockingbird be mentioned as possibilities for shows in the past. You could easily see them worked into this show. I could even see ABC do something like you had them appear for a few episodes in SHIELD and then ABC-FAMILY would premier that character's show as a summer series.
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Old August 30 2012, 12:43 PM   #64
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I am looking for one shot in this show, just one and I will be happy. A huge monitor room with dozens of monitors each one showing a different hero or villian and where they currently are. Even if its just head shots of the various characters I will be happy.
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Old August 30 2012, 02:10 PM   #65
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As a one off series or miniseries then yeah, but I don't see how this can work as an ongoing series. What's the point of having a show set in the Avengers verse when the Avengers are never gonna be in it?
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Old August 30 2012, 02:45 PM   #66
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Because there are lots of threats that are below the Avengers notice. Stuff like dealing with small bases full of AIM operatives or stopping Baron Strucker as he tries to reform Hydra or the Machinesmith starts taking over the LMD's. All kinds of things go on that dont require Avengers.
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Old August 30 2012, 02:51 PM   #67
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Firefly's regulars included four actors who'd been guests on Buffy or Angel, three of whom had played recurring roles...
Actually, I think it's the other way around, at least with three of them. Summer Glau of course had a guest episode prior, but I think Nathan Fillion and Gina Torres' recurring roles came after Firefly - late in Seasons 7 and 4 of Buffy and Angel respectively. Adam Baldwin's role on Angel Season 5 definitely came afterwards.
Oh, that's right. Thanks. I'd forgotten those shows ran concurrently, that Whedon was overseeing three shows at once.

So yeah, that makes my point even better, because that means both Firefly and Dollhouse had only one Whedon veteran each in their regular casts, and Summer Glau was barely a Whedon vet at that point, having appeared in only one Angel episode (although that was the entirety of her onscreen acting experience prior to Firefly).

Therefore, the assumption that SHIELD's regular cast will or must include plenty of Whedon veterans is unsupported by prior precedent. There's also the common-sense consideration that lots of Whedon veterans have gone on to have successful careers on other shows and thus wouldn't be available anyway. I'm sure we'll be seeing Whedon vets in guest and recurring roles, but we can't assume we'll see any in regular roles.


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I think the show could also be a good platform to then 'spin-off' into other areas. We've heard Cloak & Dagger and Mockingbird be mentioned as possibilities for shows in the past. You could easily see them worked into this show. I could even see ABC do something like you had them appear for a few episodes in SHIELD and then ABC-FAMILY would premier that character's show as a summer series.
Ooh, cool idea -- build an interconnected Marvel Television Universe as an adjunct of the Cinematic Universe.


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As a one off series or miniseries then yeah, but I don't see how this can work as an ongoing series. What's the point of having a show set in the Avengers verse when the Avengers are never gonna be in it?
Because it's not just about the Avengers. It's about taking the interconnectedness that's always been part of the Marvel Universe in comics and bringing it to the big screen. The reason the MCU focuses on the Avengers is basically because, by chance, Marvel hadn't licensed the movie rights to any of the main Avengers to other studios the way they had with the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, etc. If they could get back the rights to those characters (as they already have with the Punisher and may be about to with Daredevil), then we might well see them being added to the so-called "Avenger-verse."

Besides, SHIELD has been played up as a major element of the MCU from the beginning -- to the point that the Avengers were portrayed as Nick Fury's pet project to begin with, unlike in the comics and the animated show where it's the heroes' idea. So one could argue that the MCU is already more the "SHIELD-verse" than the "Avenger-verse." We've already had two Agent Coulson short films and a new short film about two other SHIELD agents cleaning up the post-Chitauri mess, so SHIELD already has an onscreen life beyond the superheroes. And there's an MCU-continuity tie-in comic called Fury's Big Week that focuses on what Fury, Coulson, Widow, and Hawkeye were doing behind the scenes of the previous MCU movies, showing how the whole movie continuity ties together. SHIELD is the unifying thread of the whole MCU. It's a natural for a TV spinoff.

And of course there's the fundamental consideration that TV shows don't have as much time or money to spend on special effects as movies do. Superpowers are expensive to portray. And TV shows about relatively normal people in relatively normal formats like procedurals or espionage dramas are able to attract a wider, more mainstream audience than TV shows with high-concept sci-fi/fantasy premises and thus potentially get better ratings. It's really not surprising at all that they'd leave the big, way-out fantasy stuff to the movies and focus a TV show on something more "normal" like SHIELD.
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Old August 31 2012, 01:39 AM   #68
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Selected quotes from a Joss interview:
I loved the idea of being a consigliere. Every writer loves the idea of being able to go in and fix a problem and then leave without obligation. It's fun! [on being an adviser for all future Marvel productions while his contract is in effect]

What's great is that the deal with Marvel is nonspecific, so I will give all I can, but the moment I can't, I just walk away. The moment I say, "You know, I'd like to help more on this project, but I need this time for The Avengers," there's no obligation. It's not like, "You must spend this amount of time on this movie." It's as much as it needs to be.

The important thing to me is that we know what the show is. We love what it is. It came together very organically, so when we went in to pitch [to Marvel], it wasn't like, We're trying to find this because you want a TV show, it was, Check this out. And that's a good way to walk in a room.
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Old August 31 2012, 02:25 AM   #69
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It's good to hear that they actually had a concept they thought would be good for a show, and it was just fortuitous that Marvel was looking to do one, instead of it being the other way around.
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Old August 31 2012, 02:35 AM   #70
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On the one hand, I'm glad that Marvel's TV and movie plans are in good hands with Whedon. On the other hand, I regret that his output for the next few years is going to have to be within the limits of what Marvel/Disney is comfortable with, and that he probably won't be able to get as daring and adult and experimental and philosophical as he did in his original shows. I mean, I gather he intends to keep doing small film projects that will let him be more himself, but still, what I would've liked to see from another Whedon TV series is probably more than this SHIELD series will be able to contain.
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Old August 31 2012, 02:46 AM   #71
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On the one hand, I'm glad that Marvel's TV and movie plans are in good hands with Whedon. On the other hand, I regret that his output for the next few years is going to have to be within the limits of what Marvel/Disney is comfortable with, and that he probably won't be able to get as daring and adult and experimental and philosophical as he did in his original shows. I mean, I gather he intends to keep doing small film projects that will let him be more himself, but still, what I would've liked to see from another Whedon TV series is probably more than this SHIELD series will be able to contain.
But on another hand this series might actually have more than two seasons. Plus he's directing the second Avengers movie so I do think he's got a lot to keep himself busy.
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Old August 31 2012, 06:21 AM   #72
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I'm very curious to see exactly what they're going to be doing with this. From what I've read, it seems like the comics has a pretty complex mythology, so it seems like there should be plenty of material. It also seems to me like the perfect way to bring the whole Marvel Universe into one show.
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Old August 31 2012, 07:06 AM   #73
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I guess my worry is that by weaving it around and underneath these huge, epic movies, the TV series will feel small and dull by comparison. "Lower Decks" was a good episode, but I don't want to watch an entire TV series about junior officers on the Enterprise. Y'know?

I guess I'm just eager to learn more about this show and see what direction it's going to take.
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On the one hand, I'm glad that Marvel's TV and movie plans are in good hands with Whedon. On the other hand, I regret that his output for the next few years is going to have to be within the limits of what Marvel/Disney is comfortable with, and that he probably won't be able to get as daring and adult and experimental and philosophical as he did in his original shows. I mean, I gather he intends to keep doing small film projects that will let him be more himself, but still, what I would've liked to see from another Whedon TV series is probably more than this SHIELD series will be able to contain.
Not necessarily. I mean, Chris Nolan was WB's 'Godfather' for the DC projects but was still able to make the likes of Inception.

Whedon has always been able to stretch himself across a number of projects simultaneously - Buffy and Angel aired at the same time and FF debuted while both were on air. And even as he was making The Avengers, he was able to make a low-budget movie on the QT.
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Old August 31 2012, 12:50 PM   #75
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This show is going to be more like 24 or The Unit, an action show but this time with the occasional appearances by the more obscure superheroes or villains. As long as people aren't expecting the main Avengers to be in this thing, they should enjoy it.
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