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View Poll Results: Rate The Eternal Tide.
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Old August 28 2012, 11:55 PM   #136
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Re: VOY: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Just wanted to remind everyone who reads the digital versions that they are available today.
Already have my ePub. So I'm good to go.
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Old August 29 2012, 11:53 AM   #137
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Mine arrived literally two minutes ago. I've got to go out in a few hours, but let's see if I can get through a fair chunk of it before then.
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Old August 29 2012, 01:41 PM   #138
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OK, got it, read it, and... frankly I'm underwhelmed. Don't get me wrong - the story is tightly written, well-scripted, and thoroughly consistent internally and with the rest of Trek Lit. I liked the nods to canon and fanon throughout, and I loved what I took to be a commentary on what went wrong with the series of Voyager.

(I can't seem to get spoiler-code to work... any help?) (EDIT: Thanks Christopher!)



What I didn't like is the actual path taken by the characters, and this needs to be in spoiler code.


I loved most of the plot, and I can't wait to see where Ms Beyer is going next with this. I doubt Starfleet will just plop Janeway in charge of the fleet - from her perspective, she's just gone through the major trauma of assimilation, and she's got to deal with the loss of billions of people, as well as the fallout from this event. They'll want to put her through batteries of tests and counselling sessions before they let her anywhere near the centre chair... or at least, I would, if I were them.

One last thought...

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Old August 29 2012, 02:32 PM   #139
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^In the opening brackets, you have to put an equals sign after the word "spoiler" and then (optionally) add a description for what the spoiler is about. Or you can use the advanced editing window and click on the icon to the far right that has a yellow emoticon face with an X for a mouth.
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Old August 29 2012, 02:57 PM   #140
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Although due to the title spoilers are assumed in this thread anway.
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Old August 29 2012, 04:41 PM   #141
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Personally I felt that

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Old August 29 2012, 06:56 PM   #142
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Wall of text coming - sorry.

Greetings,

I've just completed reading The Eternal Tide. Fortunately, I went into it unspoilered, so I didn't know who would live and who would take a leave of absence.

Personally, I wanted Janeway back and I fully trusted Kirsten's talents to bring that about not just for the sake of it, but as part of a meaningful story. Mission accomplished. We even got so see Kes again, wow!

Concerning nods to canon, I was positively surprised to see Amanda Rogers again. Where was she in the Q Civil War, by the way? Sounded like she missed it. However, I regret her premature and unceremonious demise. I wonder, did only the Q forget her existence? No mortal asked a database about her, so we don't know whether the events of True Q took place or were erased.

The return of the Borg Cooperative was a nice foray into territory familiar from the TV series. Like Nocona/Nacona, the Tarkan/Tarkon decided to exchange a syllable in their designation. I wonder which spelling would take precedence in a Memory Beta article? There ships were unusual and cool and made me think: "Yeah, why should the Tholians be the only ones capable of inventing energy webs?"

Thinking further, there are some questions worthwhile to contemplate: Is Starfleet going to revisit Arehaz? Riley's remainders consist of 47 people only - which is an awfully small gene pool.

Also, with QSD Neelix may be able to visit Talax, although that is of low priority to him, his people and Starfleet. This, it's a possibility. There's also a Human colony tailor-made for joining the Federation, just sitting there in space to be picked.

On the novel itself: External action and character interactions mesh organically. The personal relationships are compelling to read and never come across as 'soap box'. These allowed to take a deep breath and remind myself: "Yeah, there's a universe-shattering crisis, but we got all these beloved characters back on the right ship, see them working together, living together. Good new days!"

The loss of so many ships was devastating. I hope Mr Rademaker finds time to finish his designs for the fleet before Voyager becomes sole survivor. Oh my gosh, I can't believe the Quirinal is really gone! It's shocking! And for charming young Captain Parimon Dasht, I had Jesse Williams in mind. Too bad he didn't have a big mission to shine (or rip his shirt apart for whatever reason ). Of course, Star Trek being science fiction, not even death is permanent.

Btw, I am also super-happy to have Icheb back aboard and Naomi confirmed continuing her training.

Now that they are a pair, Kathryn and Chakotay should marry and have children (Shannon Sekaya Janeway, anyone? ). Even cooler: Chakotay takes 'Janeway' as last name, becoming Chakotay Janeway - because then, Voyager would be commanded by... Captain Janeway!

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Old August 29 2012, 09:25 PM   #143
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Concerning nods to canon, I was positively surprised to see Amanda Rogers again. Where was she in the Q Civil War, by the way?
I remember her showing up in the Selar story in ''No Limits'' (which features Selar dropping into the Q Civil War so she can meet Lady Q and they can give us a big Suzie Plakson-shaped wink). I don't think her role was important as such, I think it was just to casually answer the same question you asked - where's Amanda in all of this?

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Also, with QSD Neelix may be able to visit Talax
I prefer the name "New Haakonia".

On the serious side, I would like to learn more about the Talax-Haakonia conflict. I can't recall if Jetrel or another episode gave us any insight into the cause of the war, but it was implied in some of the RPG material that the Haakonians wanted control over the trade lanes and that Talax was both a competitor they wanted shoved aside and an established economic nexus they wanted to control themselves. In this telling, the basis of the war was essentially Haakonia's desire to muscle in on Talax's position, and usurp its standing in local affairs (or at least push them off the top). The Star Trek Star Charts, though, gives the Haakonian Order a whole mass of territory and (to me at least) implies that they're an empire who expand for the sake of expansion. Talax appears here as just one of many systems subject to Haakonian control. I'd like to see what the "Novel 'Verse" approach would be.

All that said, I don't know if a visit to Talax would hold that much appeal to Neelix. I think he and his fellows have moved on - maybe they'll get nostalgic given time, but for now it seems to me that they're looking to the future and have long let Talax go. It's the past, and they've made a new life - one they're apparently proud of. Brax is the only one who seemed to look Talax-way, and I imagine that's because to him it's a land from a story, the home that offers an idea of stability and belonging, which a child enduring multiple upheavals would keenly feel the absence of.

It might be interesting, though, to see how Neelix would react if the opportunity ever arose to see his species' homeworld again.

I'm still wondering how Talaxians managed to get to the other side of the quadrant. My bet would be Vaadwaur Subspace Corridors, which we know reach Talaxian space. Any takers?

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Even cooler: Chakotay takes 'Janeway' as last name, becoming Chakotay Janeway - because then, Voyager would be commanded by... Captain Janeway!
I like the way you think, Markonian. The more "Captain Janeways", the merrier!

I'll have my own "wall of text" up tomorrow, I think. Be warned!
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Old August 29 2012, 09:48 PM   #144
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I'm still wondering how Talaxians managed to get to the other side of the quadrant. My bet would be Vaadwaur Subspace Corridors, which we know reach Talaxian space. Any takers?
Forgetful writers.

Although, yeah, the subspace corridors are the handiest explanation, though it raises the question of how they got past the Turei. Another possibility is the Sikarian trajector from "Prime Factors" -- the Talaxian colony is about 40,000 light years from Talaxian/Sikarian space, which just happens to be the trajector's maximum range.
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Old August 29 2012, 10:21 PM   #145
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Personally I felt that

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After the atrocious mess that was the recent Titan book, this was like a light summer breeze in a beautiful mountain meadow. This is one of the best Trek books that I have read. Breyer has been planting the seeds of this in her previous books and then uses the vast Trek lore to craft a magnificent story. Everything works and clicks in this book. Having Janeway back is amazing. Beyer writes the return with such tact and grace I cannot over compliment her enough. This is story weaving at its best. Along with DRGIII latest DS9 books this has been the most fulfilling Trek read in ages.
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Old August 30 2012, 03:16 AM   #147
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I loved most of the plot, and I can't wait to see where Ms Beyer is going next with this. I doubt Starfleet will just plop Janeway in charge of the fleet - from her perspective, she's just gone through the major trauma of assimilation, and she's got to deal with the loss of billions of people, as well as the fallout from this event. They'll want to put her through batteries of tests and counselling sessions before they let her anywhere near the centre chair... or at least, I would, if I were them.
Picard was assimilated and what happened at Wolf357 was because of him and yet Starfleet left him as captain.
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Old August 30 2012, 08:19 AM   #148
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Yes, in charge of one ship, with backup in easy reach, and only after some downtime at home ("Family", IIRC). Not in charge of multiple ships 30000 light years from home, having just jumped 14 months into the future avoiding her death by namoseconds and being told that much of the Federation is in tatters. Not after jumping straight into another multiverse-shattering event.
Starfleet might well keep her in charge, but only after she has some downtime and psychological evaluation.
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Old August 30 2012, 08:57 AM   #149
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Does Tuvok (in the latest Titan novels) know Janeway returned?
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Old August 30 2012, 01:10 PM   #150
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The last two days I've read Children of the Storm and Eternal Tide back to back, both for the first time. All I can say is what an amazing ride.

Thanks Kirsten for making it happen.
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