DS9's growing popularity - Page 3

King Daniel · August 23 2012, 01:23 PM

Supoosedly Babylon 5 cost as much to make an entire season as Voyager spent per episode. So I imagine they have a higher profit margin on DVDs compared to Trek.

Although I'd guess Trek shifts a LOT more DVDs than B5 ever did.

MacLeod · August 23 2012, 01:52 PM

B5 maybe cost half as much as DSN per episode.

ichab · August 23 2012, 07:09 PM

I'm one of those Trek fans who discovered DS9 through the DVDs. Never saw it when it was on and after I went thru the TNG DVDs decided to give Season 1 a shot. Have been a fan ever since. TOS, TNG and DS9 are my favorite Star Treks. Sometimes I get into a marathon mood and watch all three in order. Might decide to do that again at some point because it's been awhile.

Kegg · August 23 2012, 07:23 PM

C.E. Evans wrote:

I think Trekkies are the only ones who even remember DS9 at this point.

Well, Trekkies and other geeks. In the context of geek TV culture the series still is a blip on the radar (particularly, as noted, for its serial elements) if not pop culture generally.

dodge · August 24 2012, 12:04 AM

timtonruben359 wrote:

My question is, had DS9 come on the air a decade or more later than it did, do you think it would have achieved a higher degree of success?

Looking at recent television trends, had they pitched it today it would have never been made at all...

Spock/Uhura Fan · August 24 2012, 12:13 AM

BillJ wrote:

MacLeod wrote:

Which is why they don't do well, and because they don't do well. Stations are less likely to air them at a more favourable time.

They don't do well because people on this side of the pond usually prefer something they can jump in and out of as their schedules dictate. It's the reason sitcoms, reality TV and game shows do well in those early evening slots.

With things like DVR and season passes on iTunes, I don't think that's true anymore, but it probably used to be. Shows that are very serialized, like Game of Thrones and Mad Men are quite popular.

I like letting episodes pile up, and then sitting down and watching them when I have the time. And with iTunes and online streaming, you can watch new episodes of some shows anytime on your laptop. It's great for lunch breaks.

Spock/Uhura Fan · August 24 2012, 12:21 AM

dodge wrote:

timtonruben359 wrote:

My question is, had DS9 come on the air a decade or more later than it did, do you think it would have achieved a higher degree of success?

Looking at recent television trends, had they pitched it today it would have never been made at all...

I only agree with this in the case of network television and because it was a 7 season series with 26 episodes for every season but the first. The concept, however, would be worth pursuing today by some cable networks, I think. I'd go for HBO or AMC, which shouldn't be surprising.

TenLubak · August 26 2012, 02:01 AM

Star Trek Deep Space Nine used to come every Wednesday at 8 on WNUV TV 54 where your vote counts!

So it was popular when it was on here or else they wouldn't have left it at such a grand time. Later on however, it was moved to Friday night at 9 in the last 2 seasons i believe and therefore, was not something I watched anymore growing up because i was out and about on Fridays. I mean the only people that would be home on a Friday night at 9 would be older people or dorks. So it really lost its appeal to many about this time, so i think most people, if they bothered to go back and re watch it, most likely saw the end of the series later in its run. At least thats how it went with my chums that enjoyed the program.

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Oh here is the promo

Spock/Uhura Fan · August 26 2012, 03:26 AM

A person can still go out at 10pm on a Friday night. A lot of clubs don't get hopping until 11pm or later anyway. Just saying.

MacLeod · August 26 2012, 12:22 PM

^Depends on where you live.

M'rk, son of Mogh · August 26 2012, 08:03 PM

I just came back from the Toronto Fan Expo, and as very unscientific as this is, Kate Mulgrew had a line that never ended (until she left early!!), Levar Burton had a modest line-up throughout the day, and Nana Visitor (who was ADORABLE to talk to!!!) was mostly empty.

I wouldn't put their characters on equal footing in popularity, but still, as a simple anecdote, I think it's a bit telling on the levels of popularity. I'm not lying when I say I felt a little bad for her, Nana was easily one of the friendliest people there!

Spock/Uhura Fan · August 27 2012, 04:12 AM

^ I think it might be telling for the characters, but Levar and Nana's characters weren't the most popular on their respective shows (at least not from my view). Captains are usually popular. Now, had the comparison been Mulgrew, Stewart, and Brooks, that would be fair, but still not necessarily telling of the shows.

DevilEyes · August 27 2012, 06:57 PM

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

^ I think it might be telling for the characters, but Levar and Nana's characters weren't the most popular on their respective shows (at least not from my view). Captains are usually popular. Now, had the comparison been Mulgrew, Stewart, and Brooks, that would be fair, but still not necessarily telling of the shows.

I don't think Sisko is the most popular character on DS9, and I'm not sure if Janeway is on VOY. I just think that Janeway is more famous among casual fans and in pop culture in general as the first female captain in Star Trek (and more so than Brooks is as the first black captain), while Kira rarely gets mentioned as one of the kickass heroines of the 1990s TV (which is really unfair IMO).

MacLeod · August 27 2012, 08:36 PM

Perhaps that's because given it's more stationary nature, it's the least Trek in terms of exploration. Yet at it's core perhaps it is one of the closer ones in spirit to TOS.

Spock/Uhura Fan · August 27 2012, 11:24 PM

DevilEyes wrote:

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

^ I think it might be telling for the characters, but Levar and Nana's characters weren't the most popular on their respective shows (at least not from my view). Captains are usually popular. Now, had the comparison been Mulgrew, Stewart, and Brooks, that would be fair, but still not necessarily telling of the shows.

I don't think Sisko is the most popular character on DS9, and I'm not sure if Janeway is on VOY. I just think that Janeway is more famous among casual fans and in pop culture in general as the first female captain in Star Trek (and more so than Brooks is as the first black captain), while Kira rarely gets mentioned as one of the kickass heroines of the 1990s TV (which is really unfair IMO).

I wasn't meaning to say that Sisko and Janeway were the most popular characters on their respective shows, just that captains tend to be popular. None of number one favorite characters from any series is the captain. Sad about Kira, but as has been said here, the series is still a little under the radar, and that's unfair too.

Evy wrote:

I don't know about growing popularity but I have found that it is easier to turn non Trek fans onto this series than any other I have tried.
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I think you might have something there. DS9 is the only one where I started watching and just didn't stop until it was over. The rest of them didn't have that same appeal to me, but TNG came close.

August 23 2012, 01:23 PM	#31
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: DS9's growing popularity Supoosedly Babylon 5 cost as much to make an entire season as Voyager spent per episode. So I imagine they have a higher profit margin on DVDs compared to Trek. Although I'd guess Trek shifts a LOT more DVDs than B5 ever did. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

August 23 2012, 01:52 PM	#32
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: DS9's growing popularity B5 maybe cost half as much as DSN per episode. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

August 23 2012, 07:09 PM	#33
ichab Fleet Captain	Re: DS9's growing popularity I'm one of those Trek fans who discovered DS9 through the DVDs. Never saw it when it was on and after I went thru the TNG DVDs decided to give Season 1 a shot. Have been a fan ever since. TOS, TNG and DS9 are my favorite Star Treks. Sometimes I get into a marathon mood and watch all three in order. Might decide to do that again at some point because it's been awhile. __________________ May the force be with you.

August 26 2012, 02:01 AM	#38
TenLubak Commander Location: Baltimore MD USA	Re: DS9's growing popularity Star Trek Deep Space Nine used to come every Wednesday at 8 on WNUV TV 54 where your vote counts! So it was popular when it was on here or else they wouldn't have left it at such a grand time. Later on however, it was moved to Friday night at 9 in the last 2 seasons i believe and therefore, was not something I watched anymore growing up because i was out and about on Fridays. I mean the only people that would be home on a Friday night at 9 would be older people or dorks. So it really lost its appeal to many about this time, so i think most people, if they bothered to go back and re watch it, most likely saw the end of the series later in its run. At least thats how it went with my chums that enjoyed the program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhCy1...feature=relmfu Oh here is the promo __________________ "Now, how are we progressing, Mister La Forge?" "About like you'd expect, sir." "Splendid. Splendid. Carry on." Last edited by TenLubak; August 26 2012 at 02:11 AM. Reason: DEEP SPACE NINE Action Wednesdays on WNUV TV 54

August 26 2012, 03:26 AM	#39
Spock/Uhura Fan Captain Location: Where It's At.	Re: DS9's growing popularity A person can still go out at 10pm on a Friday night. A lot of clubs don't get hopping until 11pm or later anyway. Just saying. __________________ “But do you mean to say there are cats that are real and ones that are not!” - Father cat “Tell me what you need.” – Uhura -- Preseasonal: Spock/Uhura Fan

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August 26 2012, 12:22 PM	#40
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: DS9's growing popularity ^Depends on where you live. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

August 26 2012, 08:03 PM	#41
M'rk, son of Mogh Rear Admiral Location: Ontario, Canada	Re: DS9's growing popularity I just came back from the Toronto Fan Expo, and as very unscientific as this is, Kate Mulgrew had a line that never ended (until she left early!!), Levar Burton had a modest line-up throughout the day, and Nana Visitor (who was ADORABLE to talk to!!!) was mostly empty. I wouldn't put their characters on equal footing in popularity, but still, as a simple anecdote, I think it's a bit telling on the levels of popularity. I'm not lying when I say I felt a little bad for her, Nana was easily one of the friendliest people there!

August 27 2012, 04:12 AM	#42
Spock/Uhura Fan Captain Location: Where It's At.	Re: DS9's growing popularity ^ I think it might be telling for the characters, but Levar and Nana's characters weren't the most popular on their respective shows (at least not from my view). Captains are usually popular. Now, had the comparison been Mulgrew, Stewart, and Brooks, that would be fair, but still not necessarily telling of the shows. __________________ “But do you mean to say there are cats that are real and ones that are not!” - Father cat “Tell me what you need.” – Uhura -- Preseasonal: Spock/Uhura Fan

August 27 2012, 08:36 PM	#44
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: DS9's growing popularity Perhaps that's because given it's more stationary nature, it's the least Trek in terms of exploration. Yet at it's core perhaps it is one of the closer ones in spirit to TOS. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.