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Old August 26 2012, 06:43 PM   #31
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Okay, kudos for the historical accuracy (on that point at least), but it still doesn't mean I want to watch it.
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Old August 26 2012, 07:42 PM   #32
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^I do. I'm going to give at least a few more episodes.
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Old August 26 2012, 07:53 PM   #33
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For what it's worth, it's quite possible that bank robbery was a hanging offense, so the robbers might be more inclined to shoot back (increasing the likelihood of the police shooting first and asking questions later).
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Old August 26 2012, 08:23 PM   #34
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That hardly justifies it. There's no excuse for shooting at someone who poses no clear and present danger, and who is running away from you. What happened there was murder -- committed by the "heroes" of the show, and evidently motivated not by self-defense but by the desire to kill the robbers in order to take the money away from them. Which makes it aggravated murder, since it was a killing committed in service to a crime.
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Old August 27 2012, 12:56 AM   #35
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I don't think they were running away. I saw them holing up in an area that could be better defended.

I don't think it justifies it either, just that it wasn't necessarily inconsistent historically.
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Old August 27 2012, 04:32 AM   #36
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Well, the second episode was great.
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Old August 27 2012, 05:02 AM   #37
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Yeah, he's a bit hard to get a read on. He seems to respect Corcoran because of the past, but it's hard to tell if he cares about anyone but himself if forced to.

Much better episode. I was a bit concerned at the beginning because the repeating locket speech made me think I was thinking of the other episode (although they did make it clear that he constantly repeats the speech). Good overall.
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Old August 27 2012, 06:33 PM   #38
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That hardly justifies it. There's no excuse for shooting at someone who poses no clear and present danger, and who is running away from you.
Actually, back then, I think the law allowed police to shoot fleeing felony suspects, whether they were armed or not.

Most of the limits on the police we enjoy today are products of mid to late 20th century legal precedents and the US Supreme Court extending the Bill of Rights protections to the states.

For another example, Corcoran walking into the rich guy's house and basically stealing the cane as evidence was allowed under state law until, I think, the 20s or 30s. It was only prohibited on federal cases. In fact, the feds used to get around it by asking local cops to obtain the evidence and then turn it over.
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Old August 28 2012, 03:39 PM   #39
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The Fourth Amendment was applied to the states in 1948 (Wolf v. Colorado). However, it lacked any teeth whatsoever until Mapp v. Ohio in 1961.

Likewise, as this was pre-14th amendment, there were no federal constitutional restrictions on police officers. I can't speak for New York law at the time, however, it was not uncommon to consider bank robbers outlaws who could be shot to regain what had been stolen (keep in mind they were fleeing, they weren't surrendering).
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Old August 28 2012, 04:10 PM   #40
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I saw the first installment and liked it. I still have the 2'nd one on my DVR to watch. I figured I'd give it 3 episodes to hook me.
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Old September 3 2012, 04:15 AM   #41
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That hardly justifies it. There's no excuse for shooting at someone who poses no clear and present danger, and who is running away from you.
Actually, back then, I think the law allowed police to shoot fleeing felony suspects, whether they were armed or not
Just watched the second episode (I'm a week behind). If you thought what he did to the fleeing suspects was out of bounds for a police officer you ain't seen nothing yet. This guy makes Vic Mackey look like Andy Taylor
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Old September 3 2012, 04:39 PM   #42
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First episode was a bit shaky, second episode was really good.

I wouldn't call this guy an anti-hero at all, in fact he seems to be one of the few characters portrayed as having a functioning conscience, whilst his betters, and many of his colleagues are selfish sociopaths.

Looking forward to watching ep3 tonight.
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Old September 3 2012, 05:11 PM   #43
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Yeah, he has a functioning conscience in some areas, such has protecting kids. But the way he goes about doing his job is, at best, amoral. As I touched upon above:
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Old September 4 2012, 05:12 AM   #44
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Loved this last episode, which obviously took place several weeks later. I love how the right thing the was done, but in completely crooked, shady and questionable ways.

I thought this was technically a much brighter and more colorful episode, but this was also the first time I saw it in HD. I could finally make out some of the details.

I'm not sure about the ending, though. What was up with that? I thought the girl was past all that, or is she jealous? Very odd, indeed.
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Old September 6 2012, 07:06 PM   #45
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I like it quite a bit. I appreciate the fact that it's taking a chance on not being a run of the mill procedural.
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