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Old April 11 2012, 09:00 PM   #106
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

My biggest fears about the new kids is the fact that they region lock almost everything that is interesting.
I neglected to mention the other vital element in the equation, namely that global distribution must be streamlined to make this all work financially. Niche audiences mean that big budgets are impossible, and we're going to be left with reality TV crap and amusing cat antics - unless you're multiplying those audiences by the size of the global audience, without the cost burden of all the current intermediaries in TV and DVD distribution.

In other words, a new big source of money has to be injected into the system, and greater efficiency in global distribution is the only place I can envision it coming from. So you have nothing to fear - if the industry is stupid enough to continue with the concept of locking out this or that region, that's a sign that they're locked into old modes of thinking and they're not going to make any of this work.

One way we can tell if someone is breaking from the pack and thinking differently and smartly about all this: when they stop bitching about piracy and start to use the huge audiences created by piracy as a benefit. A ready-made audience is nothing to sneeze at.
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Old August 26 2012, 09:30 PM   #107
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Netflix (again)

There is an article up at comicbookresources.com.
Why Isn’t Netflix Working On A New Star Trek Already?
Saturday, August 25th, 2012

in it this quote is mentioned about Netflix & Trek series:
since the shows were added last year; CBS boss Les Moonves even called out the franchise as one that worked “best” for CBS on the service earlier this month, so there’s definitely an audience for it.
I feel this should be mentioned in this thread as Hulu & Netflix allow the possibility of not debuting in America on cable TV or network TV.
wow with more questions than answers I really like the thoughts this brings up!
For the producers of a new Trek, Netflix allows all manner of flexibility that network – or even cable! – wouldn’t, in terms of running time, allowable content or even story structure. If all episodes of a season were made available simultaneously (following the Lilyhammer model), would that allow for more complex, season-long arcs and storytelling? What happens to the narrative when writers aren’t restricted to creating faux cliffhangers every ten minutes to lead into ad breaks? What if storylines break off into individual episodes, allowing audiences to follow their favorite characters/threads and then come back to follow a different movement afterwards?
(Another thought: What if new content was made available in the lead-up to a third movie, with storylines acting as a prologue into it? Or, spinning out of it, afterwards?)
Especially the running time. Sadly most cable TV and even network dramas are going with 41:30 and 42 minute running times for 1 hour length shows! Can we see Trek back up to 45-50 minutes per episode to allow breathing room for the story? I think the foreign distribution requirements will determine actual runtime of the next series.
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Old August 26 2012, 11:44 PM   #108
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I can't imagine a Star Trek show not debutting on a broadcast channel or the movie theater, I include the Sci Fi channel as a broadcast channel, that is any channel with commercials that broadcast its shows according to a set schedule, though I don't see why it couldn't be sold over the internet as well for downloads, why not do both? I get tired of seeing vampires and ghosts on the science fiction channel, it would be nice if we get something like a new Star Trek series there.
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Old August 27 2012, 01:14 AM   #109
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There is an article up at comicbookresources.com.
Why Isn’t Netflix Working On A New Star Trek Already?
Saturday, August 25th, 2012

in it this quote is mentioned about Netflix & Trek series:
since the shows were added last year; CBS boss Les Moonves even called out the franchise as one that worked “best” for CBS on the service earlier this month, so there’s definitely an audience for it.
I feel this should be mentioned in this thread as Hulu & Netflix allow the possibility of not debuting in America on cable TV or network TV.
wow with more questions than answers I really like the thoughts this brings up!
For the producers of a new Trek, Netflix allows all manner of flexibility that network – or even cable! – wouldn’t, in terms of running time, allowable content or even story structure. If all episodes of a season were made available simultaneously (following the Lilyhammer model), would that allow for more complex, season-long arcs and storytelling? What happens to the narrative when writers aren’t restricted to creating faux cliffhangers every ten minutes to lead into ad breaks? What if storylines break off into individual episodes, allowing audiences to follow their favorite characters/threads and then come back to follow a different movement afterwards?
(Another thought: What if new content was made available in the lead-up to a third movie, with storylines acting as a prologue into it? Or, spinning out of it, afterwards?)
Especially the running time. Sadly most cable TV and even network dramas are going with 41:30 and 42 minute running times for 1 hour length shows! Can we see Trek back up to 45-50 minutes per episode to allow breathing room for the story? I think the foreign distribution requirements will determine actual runtime of the next series.
Running time also determines cost. The longer an episode runs, the more expensive it is to produce. Since star trek on Netflix will be squeezed by budgets already, don't expect longer episodes that will make the show even more expensive.
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Old August 28 2012, 12:04 AM   #110
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

Yeah I've noticed that Moonves seems to be very well inclined towards Netflix where other channels regard it as Satan. And of all the possibilities kicked around, it makes the most sense for a new Star Trek series to be launched as a joint CBS-Netflix project. There may be hope yet!

As for running time, that becomes moot for a Netflix produced series. You could just watch as many episodes as you like at one time, or a partial episode, and have the running time be whatever suits you.

How long it takes to tell a story is a creative decision. It could be one hour or twenty hours. That's a producer side question. For the consumer, its up to us how much of the whole story to watch at an given time. Its become standard for cable shows to be entirely serialized, and we can watch one episode at a time or just save up a whole season for a marathon.
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Old November 9 2012, 05:22 PM   #111
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

Temis the Friendly Ghost wrote: View Post
Yeah I've noticed that Moonves seems to be very well inclined towards Netflix where other channels regard it as Satan. And of all the possibilities kicked around, it makes the most sense for a new Star Trek series to be launched as a joint CBS-Netflix project. There may be hope yet!
This week it was announced that CBS has made a deal with Hulu for
more than 2,600 episodes from CBS library series
classics such as “Star Trek,”
to be available on Hulu Plus only in January 2013.
So that is the first step to a relationship with CBS. I don't think Hulu Plus would necessarily be the right place for a new Star Trek series to debut but you never know if they decide not to go with a regular linear TV channel.
Hulu Plus to stream and iTunes (for download to own) is a possibility if they decide to go with this route.
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Old November 9 2012, 07:36 PM   #112
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

All the Star Trek series are alrady available on Netflix. I guess it would make sense to launch a series everywhere at once - Netflix, Hulu, iTunes, maybe even try it on CBS as well, to catch the folks who are scared of all that newfangled streaming stuff! A series only on CBS couldn't survive but packaged with other outlets, maybe.

I'm sure Netflix or Hulu would prefer an exclusive but CBS would have all the clout, since they own the big brand name that will drive viewers to either site.
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Old November 9 2012, 07:54 PM   #113
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

No.

I don't have time for all the stuff I want to watch that I already pay for on cable.
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Old November 9 2012, 09:35 PM   #114
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

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All the Star Trek series are alrady available on Netflix. I guess it would make sense to launch a series everywhere at once - Netflix, Hulu, iTunes, maybe even try it on CBS as well, to catch the folks who are scared of all that newfangled streaming stuff! A series only on CBS couldn't survive but packaged with other outlets, maybe.

I'm sure Netflix or Hulu would prefer an exclusive but CBS would have all the clout, since they own the big brand name that will drive viewers to either site.
Jeffriestubes8 says "Exclusive to Hulu"? So, that means Netflix will be losing Star Trek back catalog.
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Old November 9 2012, 11:50 PM   #115
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The press release says it's non-exclusive:

CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS.A and CBS) and Hulu announced today a non-exclusive, multi-year licensing agreement to stream programs from CBS's rich television library on the Hulu Plus subscription service.
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Old November 10 2012, 03:30 PM   #116
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The press release says it's non-exclusive:

CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS.A and CBS) and Hulu announced today a non-exclusive, multi-year licensing agreement to stream programs from CBS's rich television library on the Hulu Plus subscription service.
Ah, that makes a difference then
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Old November 10 2012, 06:28 PM   #117
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

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Jeffriestubes8 says "Exclusive to Hulu"? So, that means Netflix will be losing Star Trek back catalog.
What I said was meant to understand as Trek would not be available just on the Hulu free website but only available for paid subscribers to Hulu Plus.
A subscription to Hulu Plus still will have commercials to partially pay for the programming.
Netflix has all Trek yes but some people only wish to pay for Hulu Plus in this economy and not both.
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Old November 13 2012, 08:32 PM   #118
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

Yeah I pay for Netflix and not Hulu Plus (seriously, it's either subscription or ads but I'm not putting up with both!)

But CBS has the content and the streaming services are not in any position to demand exclusives. The smart thing for CBS to do is to put Star Trek everywhere and anywhere.
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Old February 1 2013, 05:49 PM   #119
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streaming only? or next Trek series on linear TV?

With Netflix's House of Cards being released today there are some articles talking about the new business model and how it affects the creative side of storytelling. How would this apply to Star Trek if it were not on a linear TV channel?

But when streaming is available anywhere across the globe, there’s not even a reason to stick the half hour or hour-long models. You can have an episode that’s 20 minutes, an episode that’s 90 minutes.
I think 42-55 minutes would be a sliding area for each episode.

Beyond what’s on screen, there are significant new TV business practices looming with House of Cards, first and foremost being Netflix’s hands-off approach. Netflix isn't producing the show; it's simply operating as the company licensed exclusively for its service. So Willimon and the creative team had “virtual complete control and freedom.” Unlike nearly all new scripted television, they weren’t even getting formal notes from their ‘network’ in this instance.
Imagine VOY & ENT without UPN's executives.


No need for cliff hanger endings and “next week on” montages—ultimately House of Cards’ 13-episode first season will be available all at once.
All at once although 13 episodes and not 26.
It still allows for fans to watch as much as they want in a sitting. Would Trek fans pay for 13 episodes on a subscription basis like the Howard Stern Show on Sirius/XM Satellite radio even though they already pay for the Sirius radio service itself?
“On a lot of other shows, you have to play the ratings game. Even great shows in the first half of their first seasons may implement these artificial cliffhangers to keep people coming back because they’re fighting for their survival,” Willimon says.
Unnecessary and the question is what about foreign TV distribution? Would it still include these cliffhangers during the acts then?

That new structure carries with it narrative implications. The pacing of the two episodes Ars previewed is different from what we’ve been conditioned to accept with traditional cable drama. There’s no need to pad an individual episode with more or less content due to network run times and number of ads sold. Willimon says rather than thinking of individual episodes, the creative team approached it all as a “13 hour movie,” and that comes across in the first two hours.
This sounds like it would still allow character development rather than just action pieces each episode with character development "padding".


what you can and can’t do on American TV tends to be a bit more limited (thanks FCC!). On Netflix, though? It’s a new frontier with more potential for exploration.
Highly doubtful a Trek TV series would go beyond TV-14 for mature audiences.
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http://arstechnica.com/business/2013...ix-experience/

The idea that CBS could make this an exclusive with their own unannounced streaming service for CBS-owned properties like their Nickelodeon is launching a Nick app for mobile devices. Technically they could launch a Star Trek app for a new Trek TV series streaming and they would control the advertising solely within it or they could license it exclusively via Hulu Plus.
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Old February 1 2013, 06:04 PM   #120
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

I wouldn't be watching a Star Trek only available by paid subscription or cable or Netflix because I simply can't afford it on a fixed income. If it were later available on dvd I would consider it, as I like having a physical library. I've not seen the new BSG or Game of Thrones either, but I was impressed with Peter Dinklage's talent when I saw The Station Agent on basic Hulu.
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