Janeway returning to Trek Lit? (Possible Spoilers)

[Brit]

Actually the first pregnant male Star Trek story I read was a fan fic from before 2003 entitled "What" by Susan DeFluke (she is legendary in Voyager fic circles).

[Alpha Flyer]

Brit wrote:

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Actually the first pregnant male Star Trek story I read was a fan fic from before 2003 entitled "What" by Susan DeFluke (she is legendary in Voyager fic circles).

There are tons of pregnant male stories out them (none of them sexy) usually involving Paris and Chakotay in one of those utterly OOC (and, as mentioned, totally unsexy) stories where one turns into a simpering submissive.

I'm with you, Teacake, on the "don't breed with Chakotay" thing. The J/Cers out there are already going flaky over the book; that would be the death knell for rational Trek board postings for weeks.

But as for breed Janeway with whom? My question -- why breed with anyone? Some women are allowed to just have a career, you know. That said, if I see Janeway with anyone it'd have to be Picard. Equals, and all that. Plus there'd be the dinner conversations -- "remember our days in the Collective?" or "Which Quadrant of the universe do you prefer, or are you more into timeline divergences?" or "What was YOUR favourite alien possession, hun?" ... the possibilities are endless.

[Guy Gardener]

SISKO: I see you've put in a request to reassign Ensign Vilix'pran from cargo inspection.
BASHIR: I think that would be best. Given his condition, I don't want him coming in contact with any hazardous materials.
SISKO: His condition?
BASHIR: Vilix'pran is budding. His buds are undergoing individuation in just over a month.
SISKO: You mean he's pregnant?
BASHIR: Twins.
SISKO: Reassignment granted. I'll have make sure I offer my congratulations to the ensign next time I see him.
BASHIR: O'Brien and I are throwing him a baby shower in a couple of days. I think it would mean a lot to him if you were there.
SISKO: Are you getting him anything?
BASHIR: O'Brien's building him a hatchling pond and I've put an order in with Garak for some new baby clothes.
SISKO: Count me in.
BASHIR: Aye, sir.

DS9 beat Tucker on Enterprise by ten years.

[teacake]

Alpha Flyer wrote:

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There are tons of pregnant male stories out them (none of them sexy) usually involving Paris and Chakotay in one of those utterly OOC (and, as mentioned, totally unsexy) stories where one turns into a simpering submissive.

I'm with you, Teacake, on the "don't breed with Chakotay" thing. The J/Cers out there are already going flaky over the book; that would be the death knell for rational Trek board postings for weeks.

I would quite enjoy it. Other people's passions and all that.

But as for breed Janeway with whom? My question -- why breed with anyone? Some women are allowed to just have a career, you know.

Because Janeway's and 7's baby would be soooo beautiful and probably grow up and take over the Collective as an auburn haired Borg Empress. After hunting down and eviscerating the Threshold babies to avenge her mother.

[Violet.Phoenix]

Alpha Flyer wrote:

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I'm with you, Teacake, on the "don't breed with Chakotay" thing. The J/Cers out there are already going flaky over the book; that would be the death knell for rational Trek board postings for weeks.

I don't think it would be a "death knell" per se, but it would definitely result in a lot of super-happy posters from the J/C side.

Me?

Honestly, I don't know how I feel about the whole "J/C breeding" thing. I'm happy for them to be together and happy in their relationship, but I would hope that it's a few books before we get a little "angry warrior" running around on Voyager. But judging by the trend with current Trek couples (Riker/Troi, Picard/Crusher), if J&C tie the knot it won't be long before a little bundle of joy follows.

But as for breed Janeway with whom? My question -- why breed with anyone? Some women are allowed to just have a career, you know. That said, if I see Janeway with anyone it'd have to be Picard. Equals, and all that. Plus there'd be the dinner conversations -- "remember our days in the Collective?" or "Which Quadrant of the universe do you prefer, or are you more into timeline divergences?" or "What was YOUR favourite alien possession, hun?" ... the possibilities are endless.

Janeway does seem to be the independent type, though I wouldn't take her out of contention for pairing up with someone. In the series she mentions on more than one occasion that she would like to have children.

Janeway/Picard? How very intriguing. I expect many tea/coffee debates to ensue

teacake wrote:

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Because Janeway's and 7's baby would be soooo beautiful and probably grow up and take over the Collective as an auburn haired Borg Empress. After hunting down and eviscerating the Threshold babies to avenge her mother.

Though I'm not a J/7 shipper, that idea is rather intriguing. And the idea of an auburn haired Borg Empress is just badass.

[Guy Gardener]

In the future can they reverse menopause?

If McCoy can grow a new kidney with a pill, they should be able to breath new life into most any part of the human body that says "Hell no. Bury me please."

Or they could just clone a surrogate? Or farm new parts from a clone. Or just mix up a baby in a test tube with ooze and dna from Janeway and some other person, male or female?

Then Mulcahey didn't consider that Borg Clone his son or brother, so after the Eugenics war there's probably a whole formal thought process for dealing with dopplegangers, that considering the state of the law in the 24th century seems to be life time incarceration...

[teacake]

I would rather she didn't do any breeding BUT she has said herself that she has thought about having children.

I would also rather she didn't end up with Chakotay but she obviously likes him and the show points to this as a possible outcome.

I just want her to be happy.

I'm wondering how it's going to play out when she, 7 and Chak are all in the same room though.. they could all potentially be jealous of each other

[teacake]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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In the future can they reverse menopause?

If McCoy can grow a new kidney with a pill, they should be able to breath new life into most any part of the human body that says "Hell no. Bury me please."

Or they could just clone a surrogate? Or farm new parts from a clone. Or just mix up a baby in a test tube with ooze and dna from Janeway and some other person, male or female?

Then Mulcahey didn't consider that Borg Clone his son or brother, so after the Eugenics war there's probably a whole formal thought process for dealing with dopplegangers, that considering the state of the law in the 24th century seems to be life time incarceration...

Menopause? She's not that old, even by our current biology. In Trek time she's a spring chicken. Crusher's having a baby in the books and she must be in her 50's, though they may have jiggered the age, I don't know.

[Guy Gardener]

Sometimes you wonder if all the humans are much much older than they look, just like all the Klingons are much much younger than they look.

Gates is 62 right now.

Yup.

Menopause is definitely reversable or/and stoppable.

[teacake]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Gates is 62 right now.

Of course it's pointless to reverse or stop it unless you live to 100+ and are fit for decades longer than we are now.

[Guy Gardener]

You can be fit for decades?

Plural.

One and a fraction, sure.

But plural!?

I said fuck sport when I turned 12 and never looked back.

[teacake]

In the future they have machines that do the sport for you. You enter the pod and all your muscles are vibrated and your cardio elevated while you watch 2 hours of holonovels in 2D. When you come out you're covered in sweat and exhausted.. and you've done nothing.

[Guy Gardener]

You're describing marriage.

[teacake]

I don't think the movies are that good with marriage.

[Guy Gardener]

Some people like tortureporn.

Season 6 of Voyager for instance.