Season ONE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread - Page 52

Trekker4747 · August 26 2012, 03:23 AM

Well, yeah, there is. But that's like saying, "Gee. Turn of the first millennium humans were pretty full of savagery with little regard to the care and well being of their fellow man."

Well, yes, they were. But only because of where they were at that time. We can't look down on cavemen, or Mongolian warriors because they weren't as advanced as us or had as much knowledge as we do on the world and science.

So judging humans of the 20th century for not being as advanced as 24th century humans is dumb. Of course they're petty and filled with greed. It's a product of the world they're living in. They just haven't advanced enough yet or reach that point of "time to stop this kiddie act and grow up!" (Which seemed to be a cross between WWIII and First Contact. One being the breaking point of humans finally having the one, last, big bender before waking up the next day and trying to figure out how to become sober and the other being us finding a sponsor in AA to help us get back on our feet.)

If I met my 17th century counterpart I wouldn't look down on him for not wanting to walk nicely down the street and greeting people pleasantly, not wanting to wear pants and not wanting to shower every other day or so. It's what he is it's what we all were back then maybe with some very limited exception but it's just where we were out.

I don't look at them and say, "Man! How did we ever not utterly destroy ourselves back then? Ignorance of simple biology so wild spread of disease, poor food-safety practices, unforgivable human rights practices. And just utter rule of lesser people. How'd we ever get out of the 17th century?"

And, come-on, Riker. I don't believe for one second that Commander William T. Riker doesn't know what, "Let's find us some low-mileage pit wolfies and help them make a memory!" means.

And for dissing on us 20th century humans so much Riker and Picard do seem to enjoyu our popular culture and music a lot. (Riker being fond of Jazz and Picard of 1940s pulp crime fiction stories.)

Maxwell Everett · August 26 2012, 03:25 AM

Trekker4747 wrote:

An HD TV is 1080 pixels wide, a DVD is only 480 pixels wide, meaning a DVD image would only take up less than half of your screen.

You mean "tall", not "wide". Full HD is 1920 pixels wide, 1440 for 4:3 content. SD is 720 wide... so the 4:3 TNG DVD image is approximately 1/4 the size of TNG on Blu-ray.

Trekker4747 · August 26 2012, 04:30 AM

Yeah, fatigue is getting to me. It's not quite (or even near) a third either.

mswood · August 26 2012, 05:23 AM

davejames wrote:

Just watched Too Short a Season, and while it's watchable enough, I'm having a hard time understanding what the point of it all was. As far as I can tell, it was only to watch a guy de-age over the course of an episode.

The point to me was to highlight Kirk versus Picard. Remember the 60s episode where Kirk gives equal arms to both waring parties? Here we see one possible result. Decades of endless war. Oh Joy!

I kid to some degree.

Hober Mallow · August 26 2012, 08:35 AM

Jeyl wrote:

Trekker4747 wrote:

I think you're reading way too deeply into it. By "eliminating want" Picard means that humans no longer always want more and more and more at the cost of their own financial security or at the cost of other's financial security.

So... why not just say that instead of stating that eliminating "want" in it's most absolute form? Picard seems to have little to no interest in telling this guy that anything he wants he could probably get without the use of money or lawyers. But no, he just tells them that possessions are a thing of the past and he needs to grow up.

I love Picard, but he could be quite the pompous ass at times. In DS9's "Emissary," when Sisko complains that an abandoned nearly disabled space station on the edge of nowhere isn't the ideal place to raise a son, Picard lectures to him that Starfleet officers don't always get to serve in ideal environments... while sipping earl gray in his comfortable lounge chair.

Trekker4747 · August 26 2012, 11:22 AM

Picard, however, commanded the Stargazer an "over-worked, underpowered" vessel for 22 years. Picard has had "done his time" in "less than ideal" assignments.

davejames · August 26 2012, 05:50 PM

I know it can easily be interpreted that way, but to me Picard never came across as a pompous ass. He was just a very disciplined officer who could put his foot down really hard when he needed to, and who felt very passionately about justice and human progress and the like.

And even if Starfleet regulations often prevented him from interfering in a situation, that doesn't mean he couldn't vent about it and become righteously indignant, as anyone would. I never saw that as him being "preachy" or anything.

TheSeeker · August 27 2012, 12:16 AM

I envy all you guys watching TNG-R right now. I bought the set the day it came out but I packed up to move a few days later and I still don't have my belongings.

I'll finally get all my stuff this Friday but I still have to get replacements for the defective discs and I probably won't watch until I get the replacements. How fast has the replacement been for those of you in the US?

Salinga · August 27 2012, 01:20 AM

Hober Mallow wrote:

I love Picard, but he could be quite the pompous ass at times. In DS9's "Emissary," when Sisko complains that an abandoned nearly disabled space station on the edge of nowhere isn't the ideal place to raise a son, Picard lectures to him that Starfleet officers don't always get to serve in ideal environments... while sipping earl gray in his comfortable lounge chair.

Picard didnt sipp earl gray in the lounge of Starfleet's flagship his whole career. He accomplished something in rougher environments to get there.

Pindar · August 27 2012, 09:03 AM

TheSeeker wrote:

I envy all you guys watching TNG-R right now. I bought the set the day it came out but I packed up to move a few days later and I still don't have my belongings.

I'll finally get all my stuff this Friday but I still have to get replacements for the defective discs and I probably won't watch until I get the replacements. How fast has the replacement been for those of you in the US?

No one has had any replacements yet.

Falcor5 · August 27 2012, 11:56 AM

TheSeeker wrote:

I envy all you guys watching TNG-R right now. I bought the set the day it came out but I packed up to move a few days later and I still don't have my belongings.

I'll finally get all my stuff this Friday but I still have to get replacements for the defective discs and I probably won't watch until I get the replacements. How fast has the replacement been for those of you in the US?

They have not even started to send out the replacements yet. There is really no need to hold off watching your set until the replacements arrive. So once your all settled if I were you I would start watching rather than wait! But if you have not you should call or email to get your name on the replacement disc list.

Patrick O'Brien · August 27 2012, 03:37 PM

^Agreed, don't wait to enjoy TNG in Bluray. The show looks great and for the most part sounds good too. I just watched Datalore and the new CGI for the Entity was awesome.

TheSeeker · August 27 2012, 03:43 PM

Well I have seen two of the episodes. I went to the screening of "Datalore" and "Where No One Has Gone Before" when they had the special event at my local theater.

And I guess I will start watching this weekend if you guys think the sound isn't too distracting.

I'm still going to have to call the hotline. I sent an email when they first announced there would be a replacement program but I never got a reply.

NewHorizon · August 27 2012, 04:02 PM

TheSeeker wrote:

Well I have seen two of the episodes. I went to the screening of "Datalore" and "Where No One Has Gone Before" when they had the special event at my local theater.

And I guess I will start watching this weekend if you guys think the sound isn't too distracting.

I'm still going to have to call the hotline. I sent an email when they first announced there would be a replacement program but I never got a reply.

I have just finished watching the entire first season, and it was really great. I set my sound to 2 channel to avoid any distractions and it was just fine. Looking forward to whatever fixes come in the revised set, but for now this is great. Watch it.

LOKAI of CHERON · August 27 2012, 10:44 PM

NewHorizon wrote:

I set my sound to 2 channel to avoid any distractions and it was just fine.

You only need do that on:

Encounter At Farpoint
Hide And Q
Haven
The Big Goodbye
Datalore
1001001
Too Short A Season

August 26 2012, 03:23 AM	#766
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread Well, yeah, there is. But that's like saying, "Gee. Turn of the first millennium humans were pretty full of savagery with little regard to the care and well being of their fellow man." Well, yes, they were. But only because of where they were at that time. We can't look down on cavemen, or Mongolian warriors because they weren't as advanced as us or had as much knowledge as we do on the world and science. So judging humans of the 20th century for not being as advanced as 24th century humans is dumb. Of course they're petty and filled with greed. It's a product of the world they're living in. They just haven't advanced enough yet or reach that point of "time to stop this kiddie act and grow up!" (Which seemed to be a cross between WWIII and First Contact. One being the breaking point of humans finally having the one, last, big bender before waking up the next day and trying to figure out how to become sober and the other being us finding a sponsor in AA to help us get back on our feet.) If I met my 17th century counterpart I wouldn't look down on him for not wanting to walk nicely down the street and greeting people pleasantly, not wanting to wear pants and not wanting to shower every other day or so. It's what he is it's what we all were back then maybe with some very limited exception but it's just where we were out. I don't look at them and say, "Man! How did we ever not utterly destroy ourselves back then? Ignorance of simple biology so wild spread of disease, poor food-safety practices, unforgivable human rights practices. And just utter rule of lesser people. How'd we ever get out of the 17th century?" And, come-on, Riker. I don't believe for one second that Commander William T. Riker doesn't know what, "Let's find us some low-mileage pit wolfies and help them make a memory!" means. And for dissing on us 20th century humans so much Riker and Picard do seem to enjoyu our popular culture and music a lot. (Riker being fond of Jazz and Picard of 1940s pulp crime fiction stories.) __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

August 26 2012, 04:30 AM	#768
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread Yeah, fatigue is getting to me. It's not quite (or even near) a third either. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

August 26 2012, 11:22 AM	#771
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread Picard, however, commanded the Stargazer an "over-worked, underpowered" vessel for 22 years. Picard has had "done his time" in "less than ideal" assignments. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

August 26 2012, 05:50 PM	#772
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread I know it can easily be interpreted that way, but to me Picard never came across as a pompous ass. He was just a very disciplined officer who could put his foot down really hard when he needed to, and who felt very passionately about justice and human progress and the like. And even if Starfleet regulations often prevented him from interfering in a situation, that doesn't mean he couldn't vent about it and become righteously indignant, as anyone would. I never saw that as him being "preachy" or anything.

August 27 2012, 12:16 AM	#773
TheSeeker Vice Admiral Location: New York, NY	Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread I envy all you guys watching TNG-R right now. I bought the set the day it came out but I packed up to move a few days later and I still don't have my belongings. I'll finally get all my stuff this Friday but I still have to get replacements for the defective discs and I probably won't watch until I get the replacements. How fast has the replacement been for those of you in the US?

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August 27 2012, 03:37 PM	#777
Patrick O'Brien Captain Location: Brooklyn NY	Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread ^Agreed, don't wait to enjoy TNG in Bluray. The show looks great and for the most part sounds good too. I just watched Datalore and the new CGI for the Entity was awesome. __________________ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. McCoy, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

August 27 2012, 03:43 PM	#778
TheSeeker Vice Admiral Location: New York, NY	Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread Well I have seen two of the episodes. I went to the screening of "Datalore" and "Where No One Has Gone Before" when they had the special event at my local theater. And I guess I will start watching this weekend if you guys think the sound isn't too distracting. I'm still going to have to call the hotline. I sent an email when they first announced there would be a replacement program but I never got a reply.