sf/f TV development news - 2013

[Temis the Vorta]

DWF wrote:

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The Dirty Dozen in outer space was exactly the words used by Terry Nation when he pitched the idea to the BBC execs. So I do think they're using the original concept.

I know thats where it comes from. But The Dirty Dozen, not Blakes 7, is the original concept I was referring to. So no, they're not doing what I described. In fact, what theyre really doing is an open question...

Sindatur wrote:

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The big thing now seems to be remakes in name only, where the showrunner keeps the name, ignores everything else and just goes galumphing off in whatever direction he likes. Sometimes that can be a good thing - Ron Moore's BSG, Bryan Fuller's take on The Munsters - so I think the one thing we can expect, is that this show will bear little resemblance to the original.

SyFy is more likely to go for violence rather than premium cable style sex, though. And I think there could be an audience for a space opera series that has the feel of a video game.

[sojourner]

NuBSG was a remake in name only???

[CorporalCaptain]

Yeah, calling nuBSG "a remake in name only" doesn't make sense. It was a remake, a reimagining, and a reboot, all.

[Kegg]

I don't care about Blake's 7 either, but like with original Battlestar Galactica - another show I'm not a big fan of - I think the basic idea of the show could make for a good series.

So I'd actually be quite interested to see if this goes to series and if it's any good.

Sindatur wrote:

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I also don't want to see it turned into a True Blood type Orgy (A little sex is fine, but, there's no need to have multiple sex scenes every episode)

There's simply no way a show on Syfy is going to have graphic sex or anywhere near the league of sweaty naked bodies you'd find in every other HBO series. At most you'd get the coy sexuality of something like Farscape.

...though going for an incredibly grim, NuBSG tone isn't out of the question.

[Sindatur]

Kegg wrote:

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I don't care about Blake's 7 either, but like with original Battlestar Galactica - another show I'm not a big fan of - I think the basic idea of the show could make for a good series.

So I'd actually be quite interested to see if this goes to series and if it's any good.

There's simply no way a show on Syfy is going to have graphic sex or anywhere near the league of sweaty naked bodies you'd find in every other HBO series. At most you'd get the coy sexuality of something like Farscape.

...though going for an incredibly grim, NuBSG tone isn't out of the question.

Yea, didn't mean SyFy would go sexy with it. SyFy will likely water it down, someone else getting hold of it could go too sexy, or too depressing

[Temis the Vorta]

CorporalCaptain wrote:

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Yeah, calling nuBSG "a remake in name only" doesn't make sense. It was a remake, a reimagining, and a reboot, all.

I meant the GINO phenomenon - Galactice In Name Only, that kind of thing. I keep running across people using that term (Abrams = TINO, etc) so I was under the impression that it was more familiar than apparaently it is.

[CorporalCaptain]

Temis the Vorta wrote:

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I meant the GINO phenomenon - Galactice In Name Only, that kind of thing. I keep running across people using that term (Abrams = TINO, etc) so I was under the impression that it was more familiar than apparaently it is.

No I got you, I just don't think nuBSG really qualifies as that. In that case certainly, it's a misnomer, a spin applied by the detractors. I have no interest in perpetuating that misapplied label. Same with nuTrek.

[Temis the Vorta]

So you think nuBSG is an accurate and faithful remake? If it were, it wouldnt be nearly as good. Hurray for GINO.

The TINO stuff is ludicrious, of course.

[Harvey]

It's a remake, not a photocopy. What would it have to do to be considered "faithful" in your eyes?

[Kegg]

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I think Temis is at least partly referencing how upset fans of the original Battlestar were about the new show being very different tonally and so on (hence them using the term 'Galactica In Name Only'). I think we could see a repeat of that with Blake's 7.

[CorporalCaptain]

No Temis, what I mean is that being "faithful", whatever that means, isn't a condition of being a remake in the first place, as far as I'm concerned.

[Temis the Vorta]

Kegg wrote:

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I think Temis is at least partly referencing how upset fans of the original Battlestar were about the new show being very different tonally and so on (hence them using the term 'Galactica In Name Only'). I think we could see a repeat of that with Blake's 7.

Yes. Doesnt everyone know about the Stardoe, GINO, etc hysteria that accompanied Ron Moore's remake from the very first? His version of BSG was vastly more of a departure from the original than Abrams' Trek.

Moore didn't make any attempt to recreate the colorful-adventure tone of the original. Instead, he went as far from that tone as I could imagine. And he changed many details but the tonal change was the big thing.

I think it was fully justified, but I understood why fans of the original were outraged. By contrast, Abrams stuck to the tone and spirit of Trek, and only changed what he had to, in order to create a funancially viable big budget Hollywood movie.

Abrams wanted to further the existing vision of Trek, but Moore superimposed his own vision on BSG. My hunch is that B7 will be more of a BSG situation because the show's name and fanbase is probably similar to where Moore found BSG - nobody is going to be highly motivated to stay true to the original.

CorporalCaptain wrote:

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No Temis, what I mean is that being "faithful", whatever that means, isn't a condition of being a remake in the first place, as far as I'm concerned.

You mean, remakes dont need to be faithful? I agree. I think both Moore and Abrams were right be faithful and unfaithful respectively. I dont care about faithfulness, I care that the results are good.

But the True Believers don't think like me, and there are always True Believers, apparently for everything. They've been slamming Moore, they've been slamming Abrams, and they'll slam this new version if B7, I'd bet money on it.

[Temis the Vorta]

Or, you could just peruse this handy infographic that explains what reboots are good, bad, likely and unlikely. Star Trek reboot on TV? Likely and good! Everyone agress, right?

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Depends on the results, which are unlikely to be good at this point. And I disagree that Abrams was in any way faithful to the tone and spirit of Trek. Quite the opposite, actually.

And wasn't Moore a proponent of GINO himself? I believe he has said that he wished he wasn't stuck with recycling the name and terminology from the original BSG.

[CorporalCaptain]

RJDiogenes wrote:

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And wasn't Moore a proponent of GINO himself? I believe he has said that he wished he wasn't stuck with recycling the name and terminology from the original BSG.

How would that make him a proponent of GINO? Are you saying that it wasn't Moore's idea to remake Galactica in the first place? And, how does that explain this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_...)#Gina_Inviere]:

Series creator Ron Moore says in the DVD commentary for "Pegasus", the name "Gina" is directly meant as a jab against critics of the reimagined series who use the derogatory term "GINO" (Galactica In Name Only) to describe it.