DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) - Page 328

Professor Zoom · August 22 2012, 04:55 PM

Hound of UIster wrote:

No that ruins what Azzarello is doing in WW.

People need to get over the continuity fetish, it's not healthy.

Yes.
And yes.

If I could build a wall around Azzarello's WW so DC editorial doesn't fuck it up, I would.

Derishton · August 22 2012, 07:37 PM

And here I am about to fall into continuity stuff....

Today: Caught up on All-Star Western (haven't read them yet) and Justice League Dark, and also bought Batman Inc.

The latter is terrific, quirky as ever, and Morrison continues to seed little details from Snyder's run - the in or out continuity of this title is still not quite established. The beauty of the long-form plotting still suffers a little from the copycat "Court of Owls" business, but I suspect we get a Leviathan versus Owls plot at some point after both Morrison and Snyder are gone. Would this be a good idea? No. Will DC be able to resist telling some story of how all-powerful Leviathan's spreading into every aspect of Gotham came into conflict with the other all-powerful supersecret organization controlling every aspect of Gotham? Also, alas, no. It would be better to simply let readers decide for themselves which they preferred, and not worry too much about it.

Justice League Dark. Why do I never say this title is my favorite of the new 52? Since Lemire took over it has been terrific. This issue trots out characters you expected to see only to pull the rug out immediately afterwards, and gives us a reimagined scene from Morrison's Seven Soldiers (essentially, Constantine was in a scene that he wasnt in at the time). This title, like most of the Dark and Edge lines, looks like what a reinvigorated DC would look like without the reboot (but with even more continuity porn).

Admiral_Young · August 22 2012, 10:06 PM

Liefeld is gone after next month.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/...e-zero-issues/

Let the rejoicing begin!

Professor Zoom · August 22 2012, 10:19 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Liefeld is gone after next month.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/...e-zero-issues/

Let the rejoicing begin!

As much of a talentless hack as he is, the hints about what's going on behind the scenes is interesting.

Admiral_Young · August 22 2012, 10:20 PM

This has been an ongoing thing with the New 52 since it started. One of the most fascinating things is how the creative talent is being treated and told about various projects and how assignments are being given. I have wondered about the environment at DC since the relaunch was announced from the very start.

Nerys Myk · August 22 2012, 10:24 PM

Hardly new though. These sort of things happen all the time. We just rarely heard about them in the pre-internet age. I recall Steve Engelhart being fired off Avengers in the 70s in the middle of a storyline.

Admiral_Young · August 22 2012, 10:31 PM

In this case though it seems a lot of creators are displeased with the relaunch, or aren't being told stuff about what exactly is going on from editorial. Sure people have been fired or left before...but we didn't hear about this much disgruntlement prior to the relaunch at DC.

Hound of UIster · August 23 2012, 02:04 AM

Admiral_Young wrote:

In this case though it seems a lot of creators are displeased with the relaunch, or aren't being told stuff about what exactly is going on from editorial. Sure people have been fired or left before...but we didn't hear about this much disgruntlement prior to the relaunch at DC.

No Johnston didn't bother covering it. But creators leaving suddenly has been a problem at DC at least since after Infinite Crisis. It has nothing to do with the Reboot, which frankly has been a creative success so far. And nobody misses Simone on Firestorm or Liefeld on anything.

Turtletrekker · August 23 2012, 02:21 AM

Nerys Myk wrote:

I recall Steve Engelhart being fired off Avengers in the 70s in the middle of a storyline.

Wasn't that due to multiple missed deadlines?

Praetor_Shinzon · August 23 2012, 03:22 AM

i like Justice League Dark, but todays issue made me grumpy with a certain character showing up and immediately getting killed.

Captain Craig · August 23 2012, 12:36 PM

^^
I'll probably read my DC books over the weekend, JLD will have to be the first one now.

Derishton · August 23 2012, 12:41 PM

^^ I agree, but it happened late enough in the issue ... and with little explanation as to who s/he was ... that I suspect a swerve of some kind.

Admiral_Young · August 23 2012, 01:03 PM

Batman Incorporated 3 was awesome. I just love this book. Interesting to see what Morrison does with the zero issue next month.

Hound of UIster · August 23 2012, 01:04 PM

Praetor_Shinzon wrote:

i like Justice League Dark, but todays issue made me grumpy with a certain character showing up and immediately getting killed.

Do you really think anybody really dies in the House of Secrets?

Derishton · August 23 2012, 01:54 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Batman Incorporated 3 was awesome. I just love this book. Interesting to see what Morrison does with the zero issue next month.

For some reason, I assumed he wasn't being made to do one, since he actually has a six-year plan he's trying to finish. The Talia issue would have been ideal, I guess.

August 22 2012, 07:37 PM	#4907
Derishton Vice Admiral Location: Nova Scotia (Derishton)	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) And here I am about to fall into continuity stuff.... Today: Caught up on All-Star Western (haven't read them yet) and Justice League Dark, and also bought Batman Inc. The latter is terrific, quirky as ever, and Morrison continues to seed little details from Snyder's run - the in or out continuity of this title is still not quite established. The beauty of the long-form plotting still suffers a little from the copycat "Court of Owls" business, but I suspect we get a Leviathan versus Owls plot at some point after both Morrison and Snyder are gone. Would this be a good idea? No. Will DC be able to resist telling some story of how all-powerful Leviathan's spreading into every aspect of Gotham came into conflict with the other all-powerful supersecret organization controlling every aspect of Gotham? Also, alas, no. It would be better to simply let readers decide for themselves which they preferred, and not worry too much about it. Justice League Dark. Why do I never say this title is my favorite of the new 52? Since Lemire took over it has been terrific. This issue trots out characters you expected to see only to pull the rug out immediately afterwards, and gives us a reimagined scene from Morrison's Seven Soldiers (essentially, Constantine was in a scene that he wasnt in at the time). This title, like most of the Dark and Edge lines, looks like what a reinvigorated DC would look like without the reboot (but with even more continuity porn). __________________ I want to be sedated.

August 22 2012, 10:06 PM	#4908
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Liefeld is gone after next month. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/...e-zero-issues/ Let the rejoicing begin! __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 22 2012, 10:20 PM	#4910
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) This has been an ongoing thing with the New 52 since it started. One of the most fascinating things is how the creative talent is being treated and told about various projects and how assignments are being given. I have wondered about the environment at DC since the relaunch was announced from the very start. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 22 2012, 10:24 PM	#4911
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Hardly new though. These sort of things happen all the time. We just rarely heard about them in the pre-internet age. I recall Steve Engelhart being fired off Avengers in the 70s in the middle of a storyline. __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

August 22 2012, 10:31 PM	#4912
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) In this case though it seems a lot of creators are displeased with the relaunch, or aren't being told stuff about what exactly is going on from editorial. Sure people have been fired or left before...but we didn't hear about this much disgruntlement prior to the relaunch at DC. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

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August 23 2012, 03:22 AM	#4915
Praetor_Shinzon Rear Admiral Location: Virginia	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) i like Justice League Dark, but todays issue made me grumpy with a certain character showing up and immediately getting killed.

August 23 2012, 12:36 PM	#4916
Captain Craig Vice Admiral Location: Nashville,TN	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) ^^ I'll probably read my DC books over the weekend, JLD will have to be the first one now. __________________ "Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9) "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1

August 23 2012, 12:41 PM	#4917
Derishton Vice Admiral Location: Nova Scotia (Derishton)	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) ^^ I agree, but it happened late enough in the issue ... and with little explanation as to who s/he was ... that I suspect a swerve of some kind. __________________ I want to be sedated.

August 23 2012, 01:03 PM	#4918
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Batman Incorporated 3 was awesome. I just love this book. Interesting to see what Morrison does with the zero issue next month. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.