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Old August 15 2012, 11:22 PM   #91
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Even if I hated every other thing about season 5 (which I most emphatically don't), it's worthwhile just for the conclusion of the Londo/G'Kar arc. Which has been seen but the journey is so much more.

Not posting much on this thread but I'm enjoying reading your reviews.

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Old August 16 2012, 12:24 AM   #92
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^ Even if you know the eventual outcome of something, it's still fun to be able to see how that outcome is reached, which is, for me, one of the things that makes Season 5 so enjoyable. Most of its major story threads are things that were set up in previous seasons, and the fun is in getting to see how the events that were foreshadowed end up coming to pass. I actually wish there was a way for JMS to have included more glimpses at future happenings in the B5 universe during the season, but wrapping up what's already been set up needed to be and rightly was more important.

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I decided to add my next set of reviews to this post.

The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father
I've come to the conclusion that Alfred Bester is the Babylon 5 equivalent to Spike. JMS clearly meant for us as an audience to hate Bester just as audiences were supposed to root against Spike, but in both cases, the actors involved (Walter Koenig and James Marsters, respectively) made the characters so compelling that things backfired and they became fan-favorites despite doing rather despicable things.

I got the sense while watching this episode that the Psi Corps are really victims of their own hatred. They do serve a rather vital purpose, but have let themselves become as bigoted in some ways as the people who persecute them.

I mentioned in a previous post that the telepath story arc was about bigotry, and it is that theme that makes this episode work very well as the epilogue to that arc, since it pretty much sums up everything that Byron was trying to teach his group. I also realized that the episode also serves to really drive home the symbolism inherent in the relationship that developed between Talia and Ivanova since, whether they consciously realized it or not, what they had was a complete rejection of the bigotry and hatred that had twisted the Corps and their mission.

Meditations on the Abyss
This episode struck me as being very much a series of character development moments strung together - loosely - by the ongoing crisis involving the attacks on Alliance shipping lanes.

The episode is also really the first one that I can think of that is focused primarily on Vir and Lennier.

I got a major kick out of Vir standing up for himself and his forthcoming position as Ambassador by grabbing Londo's coutari and trashing the Drazi fruit-seller's stand, as much because of Londo and Zack's reactions as because of Stephen Furst's performance.

Despite the scene at the beginning between him and Delenn, this episode really isn't about Lennier looking for information. It's about him and Findell having a 'Learning Curve' moment, and really felt like a spiritual sequel to that particular episode, which I thought was neat.

Darkness Ascending
This ep, like the previous one, felt very much like a series of character development moments strung together by the shipping lane crisis, although there's a tighter sense of interconnectivity with regards to the latter arc in this ep than in the last.

One of the things that makes the relationship between Sheridan and Delenn work so well is that they really are more alike than I thnk even they realize, something that is really driven home in this episode. I got a major kick out of Delenn derailing Sheridan's angry rant by agreeing that she shouldn't have gone behind his back and sent Lennier out on a fact-finding mission.

Speaking of, I didn't find the particulars of Lennier undertaking said mission to be as compelling as they should've been given their story significance, and I'm not sure why.

I liked seeing Lise again, and her lecturing Garibaldi about his growing alcohol problem was great.

Beyond the Sheridan and Delenn relationship stuff, my favorite part of the episode was Lyta's interactions with G'Kar. There is a major sense of chemistry between Patricia Tallman and Andreas Katsulas that I don't think you truly got to appreciate in their scene together in the original pilot, but that is more than in evidence in this ep. U particularly enjoyed the scene where G'Kar tests her integrity and her moral limits.

And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder
I've said it before, but JMS really knows how to up the ante, and he once again proves it with this episode.

There's so much stuff going on here that it's hard to figure our what to talk about, so I've picked out three things:
1) I loved the way the episode's beginning is structured. The overlap of the Council meeting's beginning with scenes that have nothing to do with it was a brilliant stylistic decision and kudos need to be given to whomever came up with the idea.

2) Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas really stole the show with their performances, Peter especially. Londo's statements in front of the Council are really powerful and help to remind the audience of just how good a statesman he is. I also loved the scene where G'Kar tells Londo that he won't testify before the Council and the scene where he tells Delenn that he's going back to Centauri Prime with Londo. I also got a major kick out of the scene where Londo dares the Minister to throw him in a cell alongside G'Kar, and thought it was hilarious when the minister called his bluff.

3) I loved Franklin sticking his neck out there to protect Vir.
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Old August 16 2012, 10:48 AM   #93
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In the Kingdom of the Blind
I really wish I knew the title reference for this ep, because it's neat and I'd like to know where it came from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_...m_of_the_Blind

The title alludes to a Latin proverb quoted by Erasmus: "In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king".
http://www.pride-unlimited.com/probono/idioms2.html

An English proverb cited by John Ray in 1678 tells us that "a man were better be half blind than have both eyes out." Not only would he be able to avoid the ditch (fallen into by the blind leading the blind), he might find himself in a position if leadership. "In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" is quoted in Erasmus' "Adagia," in 1536. We also see it in John Palsgrave's translation of the "Comedy of Acolastus." In 1522, in his "Why Come Yet Not to Court?" John Skelton tells us that: "an one eyed man is Well sighted when is is amonge blynde men."
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Old August 17 2012, 09:09 PM   #94
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^ Thanks, Candlelight.

I'm back with four of my last six reviews.

Movements of Fire and Shadow
There is a lot of stuff that this episode has to cover because, for all intents and purposes, it is the pentultimate episode of the second half of the season (with the last four episodes of the season being the 'epilogue to the epilogue' that is S5), but JMS once again manages to juggle all of the balls he's got up in the air - while throwing a few new ones into play as well - with aplomb, once again demonstrating his skills as a writer.

There are two words that I think describe the events of this episode extremely well: escalation and desperation. Lochley's opening log narration really helps sell the idea that as things escalate, people are becoming more desperate, and we see that desperation in full force with Vir reaching out to Franklin and Lyta and Londo needing to get out of his and G'Kar's cell in order to try and get to the bottom of what is happening and why.

Something that JMS has proven he's incredibly good at is making an audience think one thing and then doing something completely different than what might be expected, and he really did this with regards to Lyta's character; it seemed very much as if there wasn't anything else to be done with her story after she made her deal with G'Kar, and JMS brings her back into things by demonstrating that she's more powerful than we thought she was. It's a nice 'character evolution' moment, and leads into the events of Objects in Motion (episode 19) very well.

BTW, I loved that G'Kar's solution to getting Londo out of the cell without going back on his word was to deliberately make himself vomit.

The ending of the episode with the Drazi and Narn ships bombing the heck out of Centauri Prime was pretty surreal, and the perfect way to cap the episode and lead into the next one.

The Fall of Centauri Prime
I said back during my S1 reviews that Born to the Purple was my favorite episode of S1 and one of my favorite B5 episodes in general, but I finally found an episode that surpasses it.

The Fall of Centauri Prime is, quite simply, a masterpiece of storytelling and acting from every single person involved, but particularly Peter Jurasik. As the 'true' finale of Season 5 - at least from a storyline standpoint - the episode does everything that it needs to to wrap up the Centauri arc for the season, but also serves as a springboard to and for the events of the final four episodes, all of which, as I noted above, are basically the 'epilogue to the epilogue' for the season and series.

If, for some reason, you were only able to watch a single episode for each of the main characters of the series, this would be the episode you'd want to watch for the character of Londo. Everything about who he is and the journey he's gone on are summed up by this single episode, from his start as a 'washed up old republican dreaming of better days' to the evolution of his relationship with G'Kar, and Peter Jurasik absolutely knocks things out of the park. The sense of tragedy his performance evokes as Londo slowly pushes everyone who is important in his life away and willingly chooses to make a 'deal with the devil' in accepting a Keeper is incredibly powerful and poignant, and makes for riveting storytelling.

It's become sort of a cliche for a character who holds unrequited love for another character confessing that love because he or she thinks he/she and the character he/she loves are about to die, but what makes this particular instance with Lennier and Delenn work as well as it does is Delenn's reaction. Much was made of this idea that Minbari don't usually lie, but Delenn not only proves that adage wrong, she does so without even missing a beat. You get the sense from Lennier that he knows she's lying, but is so mortified by his 'moment of weakness' that he's willing to let her lie to him just to avoid having to deal with the situation, which is brilliant.

The Wheel of Fire
As the start of the 'epilogue to the epilogue', this episode could've fallen flat on any number of levels in less deft hands, but it not only succeeds, it succeeds with flying colors.

I haven't really mentioned JMS' theatrical background thus far in my reviews, but am doing so now, primarily because, of all of the episodes in the series, this is the one where that background and what it taught JMS about storytelling comes to the fore in full force. This episode is, effectively, a single-act play focusing on the characters of Garibaldi, Lyta, and G'Kar, and everything about it reflects 'theatrical structure'.

I've said before that I love Captain Lochley, and this episode provides yet another example of why. In one fell swoop, we're given an explanation for the stuff that was hinted at and set up in Day of the Dead re: her background AND an explanation for her antagonism with Garibaldi at the beginning of the season. The fact that the two characters are basically 'mirror images' in terms of their problems is great, and Tracy Scoggins really nails the pathos of the scene where she confesses all of this to Garibaldi in the transport tube.

Before I move on to talking about G'Kar, Garibaldi, and Lyta, I wanted to say that I got a major kick out of the beginning of the episode where Lochley basically sets G'Kar up for an ambush by the numerous pilgrims who came to B5 to deify him.

I really like the relationship between Lise and Garibaldi; it feels real and organic, and the way Lochley got Lise to come to the station was brilliant. Garibaldi's conversation with Lyta (I'll get to her in a second) let us see a bit of the 'old' Garibaldi start to re-emerge, which was great. I also liked the scene where we find out exactly what Lyta's counter-proposal was. It is just borderline nefarious enough to be believable, but not so nefarious that it turns Garibaldi into a bad guy.

Talia is still my favorite telepath character from the series, but Lyta is a very close second. I mentioned in the last review that it really seemed as if Lyta's story was over, only for JMS to not only bring her back into the fore, but to twist what we thought we knew into something completely different, which he does in this episode. I loved the reveal that she had been funneling the money G'Kar had agreed to give her to fund a telepath resistance momement against the Psi Corps, and I also loved the way she used her abilities to create a standoff situation with Lochley and Zack. The way Sheridan came in at the last second to defuse the situation was also great; if it were anyone else, I don't think Lyta would've backed down.

Another highlight of the episode for me was the moment where Franklin reveals that Delenn is pregnant. Sheridan's look is priceless. I do wish we would've seen the scene where Delenn finds out, but the ending conversation between them in her quarters does make up for things somewhat. Her teasing Sheridan about staring at her was great, and really led well into the final shot of Londo just sitting on his throne, sad and alone.

Objects in Motion
This episode struck me as being very much the 'bookend' to No Compromises, in that there are a lot of similarities between both episodes, not just in terms of the fact that both deal with assassination attempts, but also because of the characterization moments present in both episodes.

I really liked seeing Number One again, and liked that we got to find out her real name. I love the chemistry between Marjorie Monaghan and Richard Biggs, which made it nice to see them start to rekindle their relationship from the time that Franklin was on Mars.

There are a lot more similarities between G'Kar and Lyta than just what is talked about in this episode, because both are or have been 'lost souls'. This is why G'Kar is the perfect traveling companion for Lyta; he can help her - or at least attempt to help her - reach the end goal of finding her purpose (she's gotten started on the path thanks to Byron, but isn't quite to the end goal yet).

This episode felt very much like the ending of the BSG S4/series finale Daybreak Part II, especially in the scene where G'Kar says goodbye to Sheridan and Delenn. I was reminded very much of the scene in Daybreak on the African hillside where Starbuck says goodbye to Lee without actually saying goodbye. Speaking of G'Kar, I didn't really get the sense that his rejected worshiper was desperate enough to try and kill him, but, in the end, I don't really think the purpose of that particular plot point actually had much to do with G'Kar himself, and more to do with Garibaldi and Lise's storyline, so it all ends up balancing out.

I got a tremendous sense of satisfaction out of Garibaldi outwitting the Edgars Industries board, especially when he brought Number One/Tessa Holloran into the proceedings. You could see the palpable glee in his face knowing that he didn't have to be intimidated by them and their attempt to assassinate him and Lise.

Delenn wanting to walk the entire 5-mile length of B5 was also a great character moment and a highlight of the episode for me.

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I'll be back later with reviews of episodes 21 and 22, overall thoughts on the season, and some final thoughts on the entire series as a whole.
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Old August 19 2012, 02:14 AM   #95
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I'm back to close out my reviews.

Objects at Rest
This will more than likely put me in the minority, but I actually think this episode would have been a much more fitting series finale than Sleeping in Light (something that I will explain in my review for that episode below).

One of the things I liked best about this episode is that it offered both a sense of things ending and things continuing to go on that feels very appropriate to the story that JMS is trying to tell. There is also a greater sense of immediate closure in that the episode features the greater majority of the characters who have had prominent roles in both the series as a whole and Season 5 in particular.

There is also something incredibly powerful and poignant about the two 'farewells' that Sheridan delivers in this episode, the first being his saluted farewell to Babylon 5 and the second being his 'farewell' advice recording for his son or daughter. The series could very easily have ended on the latter, and there would have still very much been a sense of completion about the whole thing.

If there's one complaint I have about the episode, it is that there wasn't a flashback to Day of the Dead and Morden telling Lennier that he would betray the Rangers. It would've made his decision not to help Sheridan more impactful, IMO.

Sleeping in Light
I said above that I think, in some ways, that Objects at Rest would've been a much more fitting series finale than this episode, and said that I'd explain myself in more detail, so here we go:

While I understand what JMS was trying to do in concluding the series with this episode, I also feel that, for as much closure as this episode provides, it doesn't provide as full a sense of closure as it might've, primarily because there is absolutely no mention made whatsoever of a character who had an incredible amount of importance and significance to the series' final season, that of course being Captain Elizabeth Lochley.

JMS says that, after shooting SiL, he tabled work on the episode until just prior to the time that he had to finally turn it into Warner Bros., which means that there would have been more than enough time to do a small rewrite and reshoot on the episode to include some mention of Lochley, even if, as he claims, they were contractually obligated to use a credits sequence for the episode that reflected the cast as it was when the episode was originally shot at the conclusion of Season 4. Because Lochley is basically forgotten about, the episode doesn't provide the same amount of closure that it might've otherwise, and thus feels somewhat empty and incomplete.

It is rather unfortunate that there is this sense of things being not quite as complete as they might've been, because the episode itself is full of some incredibly powerful and poignant moments, from Sheridan and Delenn's final goodbye to Ivanova mentioning Marcus' name for the first time in a long time to the image of Delenn sitting on her balcony on Minbar watching the sun rise and reaching up towards the light to the image of Sheridan passing into said light with Lorien.

Overall thoughts on Season 5
As I've previously mentioned, I consider Season 5 to be the best season of the series, and one that, for the most part, succeeds in presenting a fitting conclusion and farewell to the universe of Babylon 5 and its characters while also offering a sense of things going on and the story not being entirely told, which is fitting given JMS' theatrical background and his skills as a storyteller.

Season 5 isn't just about bringing things to their conclusion, though, and JMS more than succeeds in giving us enough new storyline material to make us care about what's happening even as he's simultaneously wrapping things up. If I was forced to pick a favorite story arc out of the two featured in the season, I think it would ultimately be the Byron/telepath/Lyta arc (despite Londo Mollari being my favorite character in the series) simply because of the fact that it explores the theme of bigotry and is a much more character-driven and character-centric storyline than the Centauri/Drakh story arc, although the latter is ultimately of more import to the overall future of the B5 universe in some respects.

In closing my thoughts on the season, I'd like to finish up my 'essentials' list:
No Compromises
The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari
The Paragon of Animals
Learning Curve
Strange Relations
Secrets of the Soul
Day of the Dead
In the Kingdom of the Blind
A Tragedy of Telepaths
Phoenix Rising
The Ragged Edge
The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father
Meditations on the Abyss
Darkness Ascending
And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder
Movements of Fire and Shadow
The Fall of Centauri Prime
The Wheel of Fire
Objects in Motion
Objects at Rest
Sleeping in Light

Final thoughts on the series
I first discovered Babylon 5 around 2002 and was immediately hooked on it from the beginning. I recognized in the series something that I would only truly find in three other series (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Firefly, and Battlestar Galactica) a sense of fun and wonder that transcended the television medium to become something more than just a television show. Although the series never reached the same heights of overall critical acclaim that BtVS and BSG did, it joins those two series in standing the test of time and continuing to fascinate and entertain audiences long after their official conclusion.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that, without Babylon 5, BtVS and BSG (as well as other series such as Heroes Lost, and Smallville) would most likely never have existed at all.

With my reviews of the series' 5 seasons completed, I'd like to now ask people to answer the following set of questions:
Who is/are your favorite character(s)?
What is/are your favorite season(s) of the series?
What is/are your favorite episode(s) of the series?
What are your favorite quotes from the series (one or two from each season)?
What is the one story arc or plot thread you would have liked to have had more information on?
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Old August 19 2012, 05:35 AM   #96
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I love most of Lyta's arc in this season. I felt like - finally - JMS had begun to really deal with what telepathy for some would do to a race. In a lot of ways I completely sympathized with the motivation behind William Edgars' dark ops against telepaths - not the actual ACTIONS mind you, but certainly what drove them. Humanity being what it is, well, let's just say I'm hugely grateful we don't actually have telepaths.

But back to Lyta, JMS simply took her to the logical extreme conclusion of what anyone would do who had gone through what she had. She tried the system - yeah, one encounter with a Vorlon ruined that. Still, she tried to work within the system until she couldn't bear it anymore. The Vorlons seemed to be her salvation. Kosh took her under his wing and cared for her, and she finally had a purpose. Well, until the Shadows killed him and the other Vorlons decided to use and abuse her. After THEY were finally gone, the Resistance could have offered her something, but ignored her instead - that is, until they needed her.

Like was said above, it's no wonder that when Byron came along, she was so drawn to him. I have to disagree that Byron was all that charismatic a leader, but at least he was addressing the issues that had turned Lyta's life into a horror. After his death, you could see her trying to cling to his ideals while all the time not really espousing them fully. From the beginning of their interactions she debated with him about the best methods to promote their cause. Once he was gone, she had nothing left to lose and only one thing left to live for. Why not use every weapon at her disposal?

Byron and his followers ... *sigh*. I get what JMS was going for. I really do. I wanted to like that story thread so much. But I did NOT like the actor playing Byron. I found his followers to be mostly colorless, long-haired, wide-eyed zombies. Almost none of them had names or ever spoke. They would just come running in and stare at Byron, and suddenly he had a new speech to make. Seriously, what was with all the hair? All the men looked like Fabio wannabes, and the women weren't any better. And the way none of them ever spoke except Byron was just creepy. Near the end, they tried to bring a few of them forward and give them voices, but it was just the few, and they were all the "bad guys."

Don't even get me started on the "singing." Oh. My. Word.
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Who is/are your favorite character(s)?

I was always a fan of Garibaldi, except for his paranoia turn during the fourth season. Other than that being an ensemble cast I pretty much liked all characters. I wasn't much of a fan of Londo or G'Kar during the early seasons but both characters grew on me once their universes began to fall.

What is/are your favorite season(s) of the series?

Season three without a doubt. So much happens between the first and last episode it's quite amazing (though the same can be said for season four). The build up of G'Kar's character, the split from Earth, the Shadow war gaining momentum and Babylon 4 shows up in there too.

What is/are your favorite episode(s) of the series?

Babylon Squared and War Without End for starters, as I found the Babylon 4 storyline most fascinating. The main key arc episodes also stand out for me, like Signs and Portents, Chrysalis, The Coming of Shadows, In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum, The Long Twilight Struggle, The Fall of Night, Severed Dreams, Z'Ha'Dum, Into the Fire, No Surrender No Retreat, Between the Darkness and the Light, Endgame and Sleeping in Light. None of the season five episodes really stood out for me, and - with the exception of Racing the Night - neither did Crusade.

What are your favorite quotes from the series (one or two from each season)?

Too many to mention. The show was full of so many profound comments I can't list them all here.

What is the one story arc or plot thread you would have liked to have had more information on?

I would liked to have seen a non-rushed season four, with more of a resolution to the Shadow war (not that I didn't like what we got), the spilling over of the Earth war into season five and more focus of the Minbari civil war.

Part of me wanted to see In Valen's Name - the 3-part comic featuring Babylon 4 - made into an episode during the fourth season, but the other half of me likes the ambiguity of the fate of the space station.

I've enjoyed this thread DigificWriter, most enjoyable.
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Who is/are your favorite character(s)?
G'Kar. Londo. Sinclair.

What is/are your favorite season(s) of the series?
Can't say that I've got one. I'm a fan of the entire story.

What is/are your favorite episode(s) of the series?
Born to the Purple
The Parliament of Dreams
The Geometry of Shadows
Comes the Inquisitor
Severed Dreams
A Late Delivery from Avalon
Atonement
The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari
The Fall of Centauri Prime
and all-time favorite of ANY TV show: Sleeping in Light

What are your favorite quotes from the series (one or two from each season)?
Far too many. But the Declaration of Principals would top the list.

What is the one story arc or plot thread you would have liked to have had more information on?
Crusade

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Old August 21 2012, 12:28 AM   #99
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I figure I ought to answer my own questions, so here we go.
Who is/are your favorite character(s)?
1) Londo; 2) Marcus; 3) Delenn; 4) Sheridan; 5) Talia (with Ivanova/G'Kar [tie], Lochley, Vir, Kosh, and Garibaldi/Lyta [tie] rounding out my Top 10)

What is/are your favorite season(s) of the series?
Season 5 (as I already said earlier) (although the entire series is awesome as a whole, I really liked S5)

What is/are your favorite episode(s) of the series?
Born to the Purple (S1)
Mind War (S1)
Bayblon Squared (S1)
The Coming of Shadows (S2)
GROPOS (S2)
And Now For a Word (S2)
Passing through Gethsemane (S3)
A Late Delivery from Avalon (S3)
War without End (S3)
Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi? (S4)
Racing Mars (S4)
The Deconstruction of Falling Stars (S4)
The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari (S5)
Day of the Dead (S5)
The Fall of Centauri Prime (S5)

What are your favorite quotes from the series (one or two from each season)?
I'm partial to the majority of the quotes that are present in the S5 opening, although I also like Delenn's rebuke of the scholars in The Deconstruction of Falling Stars.

What is the one story arc or plot thread you would have liked to have had more information on?
I would've liked to have seen more of what happened to and with G'Kar and Lyta, specifically what happened to cause G'Kar to lose his prosthetic eye replacement (since, by the time he and Londo strangle each other in 2278, he's wearing a bandage over his face again) and what role Lyta played in the Telepath War. I also would've liked to have seen what happened to Captain Lochley and, as I said, wish that JMS would have at least mentioned her fate in Sleeping in Light.
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The Ambassadors are my Favorite characters (Londo/G'Kar/Delenn)

I don't really have favorites beyond that, I love almost all the B5 Regular and Recurring Characters/Actors.

I never really took to Talia, nearly as much as I took to Lyta in the Pilot (and of course her return), so between the two Pat's Lyta wins out (This is of Course assuming Bester is in a Class All His Own)

Quote, I really Like Delenn's "Only One Human Captain Survived...He is Behind me, You are in front of Me, if you value your Lives...BE SOMEWHERE ELSE" and Of Course "You came much further to say even less" is of course, incredible. So many awesome quotes to choose from.

As Far as everything else, it almost all matters, and adds to the tapestry, so aside, from removing a couple A or B stories and blending S4 ending and Season 5 beginning better I really wouldn't change anything, and can't really pick favorites, because without the building up, you can't have the Wham episodes, so how do you choose if the Building blocks or the Wham is Favorite?
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Old August 21 2012, 03:24 AM   #101
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Who is/are your favorite character(s)?
G'Kar. Londo, Zathras, G'Kar, Garibaldi, Londo, Bester, G'Kar, Galen, Londo, Lochley & G'Kar.

What is/are your favorite season(s) of the series?
Don't really have one. The whole series is a complete story in itself. 3 & 4 of course have most of the really exciting an memorable bits, but that's just down to the way things are structured.

What is/are your favorite episode(s) of the series?
Chrysalis
The Long, Twilight Struggle
Severed Dreams
Intersections in Real Time
Sleeping in Light

What are your favorite quotes from the series (one or two from each season)?
How about everything G'Kar & Zathras ever said? No? Seriously, There's way too many to narrow it down. Having said that the ones that stick in the mind include: Londo's "the humans knew they were doomed" speech from ItB, G'Kar's declaration of principles, "being nibbled to death by cats", G'Kar's post Narn bombardment speech, "a kind word and a 2X4...", Kosh as G'Kar's father, G'Kar's farewell to Ta'Lon & what Vir says he wants from Morden.

What is the one story arc or plot thread you would have liked to have had more information on?
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Who is/are your favorite character(s)?

Jeffrey Sinclair because he seemed very atypical in comparison to the standard SF-TV hero, which Sheridan seemed to fall more in line with. And, of course, Londo and G'Kar because of all the characters on the show, they seemed to have the strongest motivations in terms of the overall arc of the show.

What is/are your favorite season(s) of the series?

A few years ago I would've said Season 3, aka "Point of No Return" or, as JMS originally wanted to call it, "I Am Become Death, Destroyer of Worlds." Every trigger gets pulled and the show forever changed, which was very uncommon for an SF-TV series. In a lot of ways, it still is. (Yeah, I'm looking at you nuBSG for chickening out a lot.)

But as the years go on, I much prefer the first two seasons of the show because it had more depth into the lives of "the quarter of a million people trapped in two-million thousand tons of spinning metal, alone in the night." Granted the writing was very hit or miss in those seasons, but I liked that there were other writerly voices besides JMS in the stories even though my favorite episodes happen to be written by JMS.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: if BABYLON 5 was to return to television, I think it's the perfect backdrop for an ongoing anthology series with different writers fully exploring the lives of those who chose to make the station their home. That's what I had hopes THE LOST TALES would've been.

What is/are your favorite episode(s) of the series?

Season One:

"Midnight on the Firing Line"
"Believers"
"And the Sky Full of Stars"
"Babylon Squared" (I have fond memories of this episode, as I was in the San Diego Comic Con audience when JMS screened it before it had even aired. It's also the convention where JMS announced Michael O'Hare wouldn't be coming back for season two.)

Season Two:
"Soul Mates"
"The Coming of the Shadows"
"And Now For a Word"
"The Fall of Night"

Season Three:
"Passing Through Gesthsemane" (my all time favorite episode)
"War Without End, parts one and two"
"Z'ha'Dum"

Season Four:
"Atonement"
"Intersections in Real Time"
"The Deconstruction of Falling Stars"

Season Five:
"Day of the Dead"
"And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder"
"The Fall of Centauri Prime"

What are your favorite quotes from the series (one or two from each season)?

G'Kar: There are things in the Universe billions of years older than either of our races. They are vast, timeless, and if they are aware of us at all, it is as little more than ants and we have as much chance of communicating with them as an ant has with us. We know. We've tried and we've learned that we can either stay out from underfoot or be stepped on. They are a mystery and I am both terrified and reassured to know that there are still wonders in the Universe, that we have not explained everything. Whatever they are, Miss Sakai, they walk near Sigma 957 and they must walk there alone.

G'Kar: G'Quon wrote: "There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope. The death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of ctransition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always paved in pain."

General Susan Ivanova: Babylon 5 was the last of the Babylon stations. There would never be another. It changed the future, and it changed us. It taught us that we have to create the future or others will do it for us. It showed us that we have care for one another, because if we don't, who will? And that true strength sometimes comes from the most unlikely places. Mostly, though, I think it gave us hope — that there can always be new beginnings, even for people like us.


What is the one story arc or plot thread you would have liked to have had more information on?

CRUSADE.
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Old August 21 2012, 06:33 AM   #103
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Who is/are your favorite character(s)?
Delenn, Ivanova, G'Kar, and Londo, no particular order, though.

What is/are your favorite season(s) of the series?
I like them all fairly equally, but if I could watch only one I'd likely take the first season.

What is/are your favorite episode(s) of the series?
Really hard to say, I love them all. There are always some story lines or subplots that I could do with less of or without, of course. But, the way they pretty much all build toward the whole story, I find it hard to single any out.

What are your favorite quotes from the series (one or two from each season)?
G'Kar swearing in Sheridan
"You want to be president?"
"yes"
"Put your hand on the book and say, 'I do'."
'I do'
"Fine. Done. Let's eat."

What is the one story arc or plot thread you would have liked to have had more information on?
Sinclair building the Rangers, Londo and Timov, Prince Vintari and David.
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Old August 21 2012, 08:20 AM   #104
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People answering the last question with Crusade: I assumed the question was meant for any lose Babylon 5 threads, not the spinoff material.
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Old August 21 2012, 11:50 AM   #105
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Given that B5 touched on Earth's desire for organic technology and also made a point of the consequences of leftover Shadow tech, I think it's a valid thread to want more of. Saying Crusade is just shorter.

But I'd really have loved to see the adventures of Lyta and G'Kar that's been mentioned, too.

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