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Old August 18 2012, 03:55 AM   #1
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How many people aboard Enterprise ncc-1701

I'm writing a fan fic, and I need to know, on Kirk's Enterprise, how many people were regularly aboard the ship?

What was the maximum crew capacity of the ship?

How many security officers were aboard the ship?

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Old August 18 2012, 04:09 AM   #2
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Re: How many people aboard Enterprise ncc-1701

We heard the figure 430 a few times, but Captain Pike had a crew of half of that, with the same basic ship.

In Journey to Babel, they took on 114 delegates (of whom 32 were ambassadors), Sarek came aboard with 2 aids and a wife. If 1 delegate plus 3 others was typical then the number of people aboard the Enterprise would have been nearly a thousand. Although I've consider the possibility that they might have remove the science contingent for that mission. Even still, the ship would have been stuffed.

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Old August 18 2012, 04:38 AM   #3
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Re: How many people aboard Enterprise ncc-1701

I've always believed the maximum capacity aboard the original Enterprise was 1,000 persons, but that the actual number depended on whatever mission she was undertaking at a time and the ship would either add or remove staterooms to accomodate that number before leaving spacedock, IMO.

I don't think there's ever been a canonical number given for the number of security personnel during Kirk's mission, but I do remember one of the original AMT models suggesting about 90.
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Old August 18 2012, 10:13 AM   #4
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Re: How many people aboard Enterprise ncc-1701

Franz Joseph's old blueprints break down the TOS Enterprise's security staff thusly:

Chief of Security (Lt. Cmdr.) ... 1
Security officers (Lt.) ... 5
Security Specialists (Ensign) ...84

From a total crew of 430.

If you're talking about the new Enterprise from the last movie, the "Experience the Enterprise" site said it had an overall crew of 1100, so I'm guessing more redshirts!
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Old August 20 2012, 03:17 AM   #5
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Re: How many people aboard Enterprise ncc-1701

Thanks for the answers guys.
The figure of 1,000 seems unlikely considering that was the ships compliment on TNG, and Enterprise D was a lot bigger than Kirk's ship.
I am going to go with that 430 number T'Girl gave me.
and thank you KingDaniel, for the info on the security.
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Old August 20 2012, 03:59 AM   #6
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Re: How many people aboard Enterprise ncc-1701

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Thanks for the answers guys.
The figure of 1,000 seems unlikely considering that was the ships compliment on TNG, and Enterprise D was a lot bigger than Kirk's ship.
One important thing to take into consideration, however, is that the Enterprise-D was a really big ship and could likely hold well more than 1,000 people (some estimates have placed a maximum capacity upwards of 15,000 for a short period of time).

The extra space is reserved for passengers/evacuees or for future crew and onboard facility expansion. The same was very likely true of the original Enterprise, which could probably be reconfigured during a starbase layover to carry 500 additional people in addition to Kirk's crew of 430.
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Old August 20 2012, 04:11 AM   #7
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There were 431 officers and crew on the 1701 before the refit. After the refit, there were 500.
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Old August 20 2012, 11:51 AM   #8
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Today, when warships are reworked, this gives them a specific new crew requirement that is the minimum number of people needed to get the ship to do the tricks it's built or reworked for. No additional people are ever embarked because nobody wants to pay them.

But the Starfleet crews clearly include "idle" people, "passengers" who could and would be shoved overboard or pressed to useful duty in order to pare down the crew count to the absolute minimum if Starfleet were run by people of today. We never hear what the personnel requirement of Kirk or Picard's starships would have been (except in "Remember Me" were various false figured are bandied about, sort of). We never hear what the personnel capacity of these vessels would be, either. The only thing we ever hear is the personnel count, and that is never indicated to reflect limitations or demands posed by the ship.

That aside, though, it is curious that the counts stay so consistent within a series. Picard's ship had people coming and going, yet there were two mentions of 1,014 people aboard; Kirk's ship likewise had various visitors, yet the figure of 430 was repeated. And Archer stuck to some 80 despite taking the MACOs aboard. An odd coincidence? A Starfleet regulation? Or indeed an indication of technological requirements or limitations posed by the ship's design, despite appearances?

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Old August 27 2012, 09:31 PM   #9
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Re: How many people aboard Enterprise ncc-1701

The Making of Star Trek clearly states that the Enterprise (post-"The Cage") normally carried a crew complement of 430. Franz Joseph's blueprints, IIRC, show living quarters for a total of 500 persons -- by making most of the primary hull (saucer) into a virtual hotel.
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Old August 28 2012, 04:56 PM   #10
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Re: How many people aboard Enterprise ncc-1701

RB_Kandy wrote: View Post
I'm writing a fan fic, and I need to know, on Kirk's Enterprise, how many people were regularly aboard the ship?
From the episodes, between 400-430.

The TMP Enterprise also was 431.
COMPUTER VOICE: Crew status is one seven two at duty stations, two four eight off duty, eleven in sickbay, all minor.
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What was the maximum crew capacity of the ship?
My guess, at least twice the crew capacity that way she can rescue another ship's crew if needed. She did rescue colonists and other stranded crews and was in progress to rescue the crew of 400+ of a Klingon Battlecruiser in "Day of the Dove" but only 40 were still alive to be rescued.

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How many security officers were aboard the ship?
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Unknown. However, in "Breads and Circuses", Kirk did threaten to beam down 100 men with phasers. It was a bluff, but the number might be correct though...
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Old August 28 2012, 07:25 PM   #11
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COMPUTER VOICE: Crew status is one seven two at duty stations, two four eight off duty, eleven in sickbay, all minor.
So, proof positive that Kirk's ship had families aboard?

What was the maximum crew capacity of the ship?
Probably a function of the time these people have to spend aboard. For a day-long trip, "standing room only" (meaning thousands upon thousands) might be perfectly okay - but they would have to break out the special chemical pellets for purifying the air and vent out vast amounts of life support fluids to manage the heat. For a trip taking twenty years, even 200 might be too much.

However, in "Breads and Circuses", Kirk did threaten to beam down 100 men with phasers. It was a bluff, but the number might be correct though...
One wonders how many of these would be security officers and crew, and how many would be "naval infantry", random crew issued a phaser and told to go down to fight.

In TAS "Lorelei Signal", five female redshirts of Lieutenant rank (Uhura included) beam down to solve a crisis no man could cope with. Is it realistic to assume there were four female Security Lieutenants on call (when the rank isn't all that prevalent among the Security folks in TOS and no females of that professional persuasion were ever seen there), or are we seeing Uhura drafting other non-Security Lieutenants besides herself for the landing party?

(Actually, there's even a fifth female redshirt Lieutenant in the party - for a brief while, where Nurse Chapel's blue dress gets colored wrong...)

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Old August 28 2012, 10:00 PM   #12
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COMPUTER VOICE: Crew status is one seven two at duty stations, two four eight off duty, eleven in sickbay, all minor.
So, proof positive that Kirk's ship had families aboard?
Or more than one duty shift?
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Old August 28 2012, 11:03 PM   #13
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So, proof positive that Kirk's ship had families aboard?
LOL They make up the junior ranks

In anycase, I had interpreted it as minor injuries resulting in a stay in the sickbay.
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Old August 29 2012, 10:16 AM   #14
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The idea of the crew count still being 430 in ST:TMP sort of speaks against any of these being "superfluous" personnel. It would be pretty odd for Admiral Kirk to take onboard somebody useless like Marla McGivers (even if in the end, knowledge of history would be the one thing needed to save the Earth!) for this frantic scramble.

Or then it's sheer coincidence that the sum total of essential and nonessential personnel in TOS was the same as the number of essential people alone in TMP, and the refit had just increased the manpower requirements of the vessel a lot.

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Old August 29 2012, 06:03 PM   #15
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It was mention that the Enterprise 1701 had crew of 431 in: A Piece of the Action, The Mark of Gideon? And I think it was mention also in Tomorrow Is Yesterday and The Tholian Web?
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