Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) - Page 8

Redfern · August 17 2012, 03:03 PM

Given "New Voyages" clout, I imagine the production may have connections to obtain higher end materials, but considering what's available to the average person, "furred" leggings or pants can pose some issues. Worn by a person of average build, most conventional "furred" fabrics tend fill out his or her frame, making the person look considerably "stocky". You'd need someone almost deathly thin so the added bulk of the fur will make the performer appear to have a normal build. Plus, it can be difficult to avoid a "team mascot" appearance (aka the dreaded and scorned "fursuit" look). It can be avoided, but you need a material with fibers that will lie flat rather than fuzzing outward.

I remember reading a StarLog article discussing the ape costumes from "Greystoke", a "serious" Tarzan adaptation released in the 80s. A special lycra type elastic fabric with embedded "fur" fibers was developed for the movie. Because it hugged the body like a dancer's leotard, it didn't wrinkle or buckle as much and maintained the illusion of a pelt better than other materials. Problem was, it cost several hundred dollars per yard some 25 years ago. Would New Voyages be willing to spend that kind of money for a "throw-away" shot of an extra in the background? I honestly can't say.

That's why I suggested having the M'Ress actress stand or sit behind a desk or console that would conveniently hide the legs. It would avoid the problems of creating furred legs that might suffer looking like part of a plush toy. It would also make presenting a tail a bit easier. It wouldn't even have to be attached to the actress. A "puppeteer" hidden by the set piece need only hold it close to the actress and twitch it, giving it a bit of "life".

"Pawed" hands? I'd take some artistic license and give her 5 digits per hand, 4 fingers and a dewclaw/thumb. That way, no single digit would look abnormally thicker than the others. Or, give her gloves, (in-story, something StarFleet issue intended to reduce fur shed upon equipment), the tip of each digit showing just the hint of a claw tip, implying there's something akin to a "button hole" that would allow her to flex her claws.

I'm just trying to imagine ways would this could be achieved without "breaking the bank" for the New Voyages team.

Sincerely,

Bill

USS Excelsior · August 17 2012, 06:50 PM

Maybe in a new episode we can see the TAS holodeck too while we're at it.

CorporalCaptain · August 17 2012, 09:46 PM

Redfern wrote:

I'm just trying to imagine ways would this could be achieved without "breaking the bank" for the New Voyages team.

Her facing away from camera in the background eliminates the biggest problem, that of depicting the face. If you don't see her feet either, then a woman in costume with a CGI tail could comprise the minimally necessary depiction.

Redfern · August 17 2012, 11:44 PM

Take that idea one step further, but not quite as extreme as merely mentioning but never showing her. Depict nothing but a prop tail with a tuft upon the tip vanishing around a corner, poking from a Jefferies Tube, getting caught in the bridge doors (with an accompanying wailing meow), etc.

You know, rather like "Spot" was presented on "The Munsters".

Of course, where's the fun if we never get to see her face?

Sincerely,

Bill

CorporalCaptain · August 17 2012, 11:45 PM

Redfern wrote:

Of course, where's the fun if we never get to see her face?

I know. I almost didn't post for that reason.

USS Excelsior · September 8 2012, 12:54 AM

Is there any kind of timetable on when we can expect to see Kitumba? And if there are any timetables for the others as well.

BTW when Buck Rogers referred to going to meet the Emperor of the Klingon Empire that was a mistake since Gowron said there hasn't been an emperor for 3 centuries.

GSchnitzer · September 8 2012, 01:12 AM

USS Excelsior wrote:

Is there any kind of timetable on when we can expect to see Kitumba? And if there are any timetables for the others as well.

BTW when Buck Rogers referred to going to meet the Emperor of the Klingon Empire that was a mistake since Gowron said there hasn't been an emperor for 3 centuries.

No, there is no timetable for the realease of "Kitumba," "The Protracted Man," "Mind-Sifter," "Bread and Savagery" and our yet-to-be-filmed "Troublesome Minds."

Also, on the Klingon Homeworld, some factions (Gowon's) never really recognized the "Kitumba" as being The Emperor. Other factions *do* recognize the Kitumba as the Emperor. (It's not like the Klingons are all homegenous in their beliefs.)

Sounds like the perfect kind of conflict for an episode.

deep_edward · September 12 2012, 08:58 PM

Whatever else they do, for the love of god, please give Peter Kirk a new boyfriend or find a way to resurrect Freeman.

While I have to give kudos to New Voyages for producing the Blood & Fire script, I was not a fan of the "tragic gay death" ending and I don't think I can bear another episode with Peter moping around like he's a step away from hanging himself (even though the actor who plays him does it very well!).

GSchnitzer · September 13 2012, 01:17 AM

Well, as part of our show's Writers and Directors Guide, we envisioned that the late Alex Freeman was from a race/planet of clones and "everyone is pretty much the same." The ironic twist is that we would meet Brion Freeman (one of Peter's numerous "brothers") and we would find Brion to be straight. This would cause some awkwardness (and plot conflicts)--not only for Brion but for Peter Kirk as well. (Peter's advances were to be brutally rejected by Brion.)

We may yet see this story line. But we're wary of making this "The Peter Kirk Show" (much less "The Brion Freeman Show" when Star Trek is actually about Captain Kirk, Mister Spock, and Doctor McCoy. But you never know where Star Trek Phase II will take us.

deep_edward · September 13 2012, 03:10 AM

GSchnitzer wrote:

Well, as part of our show's Writers and Directors Guide, we envisioned that the late Alex Freeman was from a race/planet of clones and "everyone is pretty much the same." The ironic twist is that we would meet Brion Freeman (one of Peter's numerous "brothers") and we would find Brion to be straight. This would cause some awkwardness (and plot conflicts)--not only for Brion but for Peter Kirk as well. (Peter's advances were to be brutally rejected by Brion.)

Please tell me you're joking. I like what I've seen of the series so far, but this would seriously make me never watch it again.

We may yet see this story line. But we're wary of making this "The Peter Kirk Show"

Who suggested making this "The Peter Kirk Show"? I'm new here and I'm honestly not trying to piss anyone off, so I think I'll just hold my tongue, except to say that I think a far better idea would be to have Peter transfer to another ship and write the character out of the show. I'd rather any theoretical gay characters remain completely invisible than to have them portrayed in the way you have in mind.

scifib5st · September 13 2012, 04:30 AM

GSchnitzer wrote:

Well, as part of our show's Writers and Directors Guide, we envisioned that the late Alex Freeman was from a race/planet of clones and "everyone is pretty much the same." The ironic twist is that we would meet Brion Freeman (one of Peter's numerous "brothers") and we would find Brion to be straight. This would cause some awkwardness (and plot conflicts)--not only for Brion but for Peter Kirk as well. (Peter's advances were to be brutally rejected by Brion.)

We may yet see this story line. But we're wary of making this "The Peter Kirk Show" (much less "The Brion Freeman Show" when Star Trek is actually about Captain Kirk, Mister Spock, and Doctor McCoy. But you never know where Star Trek Phase II will take us.

OK, thanks for the heads up on this.... I think this would be a great story line, and a wounderful "Twist" to todays story writting...
Go ahead and open Pandor box.... send thoes Righ wing ding bats flapping in the wind !!!!!

deep_edward · September 13 2012, 04:35 AM

How would it send right wing dingbats flapping in the wind? This is how homophobes want gay characters to be portrayed, if they're going to be portrayed at all: as perpetually unhappy victims.

I'm honestly having a hard time believing this is for real.

Barbreader · September 13 2012, 10:24 AM

With all due respect, most of the love stories in Trek end in death or break-up. The happy endings are rare. B&F is just like most of the Trek love stories. The only thing a twing different is that the couple is gay. If you want more Trek about LGBT (I think that's right) look at the many films produced by Hidden Frontier. http://www.hiddenfrontier.com/

lennier1 · September 13 2012, 11:57 AM

OTOH HF had a tendency to turn the cast's sexuality into a big issue instead of just another aspect of the characters' life.

deep_edward · September 13 2012, 01:27 PM

Barbreader wrote:

With all due respect, most of the love stories in Trek end in death or break-up.

Um, no they don't.

If you want more Trek about LGBT (I think that's right)

Cute.

August 17 2012, 03:03 PM	#106
Redfern Fleet Captain Location: Georgia, USA	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) Given "New Voyages" clout, I imagine the production may have connections to obtain higher end materials, but considering what's available to the average person, "furred" leggings or pants can pose some issues. Worn by a person of average build, most conventional "furred" fabrics tend fill out his or her frame, making the person look considerably "stocky". You'd need someone almost deathly thin so the added bulk of the fur will make the performer appear to have a normal build. Plus, it can be difficult to avoid a "team mascot" appearance (aka the dreaded and scorned "fursuit" look). It can be avoided, but you need a material with fibers that will lie flat rather than fuzzing outward. I remember reading a StarLog article discussing the ape costumes from "Greystoke", a "serious" Tarzan adaptation released in the 80s. A special lycra type elastic fabric with embedded "fur" fibers was developed for the movie. Because it hugged the body like a dancer's leotard, it didn't wrinkle or buckle as much and maintained the illusion of a pelt better than other materials. Problem was, it cost several hundred dollars per yard some 25 years ago. Would New Voyages be willing to spend that kind of money for a "throw-away" shot of an extra in the background? I honestly can't say. That's why I suggested having the M'Ress actress stand or sit behind a desk or console that would conveniently hide the legs. It would avoid the problems of creating furred legs that might suffer looking like part of a plush toy. It would also make presenting a tail a bit easier. It wouldn't even have to be attached to the actress. A "puppeteer" hidden by the set piece need only hold it close to the actress and twitch it, giving it a bit of "life". "Pawed" hands? I'd take some artistic license and give her 5 digits per hand, 4 fingers and a dewclaw/thumb. That way, no single digit would look abnormally thicker than the others. Or, give her gloves, (in-story, something StarFleet issue intended to reduce fur shed upon equipment), the tip of each digit showing just the hint of a claw tip, implying there's something akin to a "button hole" that would allow her to flex her claws. I'm just trying to imagine ways would this could be achieved without "breaking the bank" for the New Voyages team. Sincerely, Bill __________________ Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"! Freighter Tails: the Misadventures of Mzzkiti

August 17 2012, 06:50 PM	#107
USS Excelsior Fleet Captain Location: Alpha Quadrant	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) Maybe in a new episode we can see the TAS holodeck too while we're at it.

August 17 2012, 11:44 PM	#109
Redfern Fleet Captain Location: Georgia, USA	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) Take that idea one step further, but not quite as extreme as merely mentioning but never showing her. Depict nothing but a prop tail with a tuft upon the tip vanishing around a corner, poking from a Jefferies Tube, getting caught in the bridge doors (with an accompanying wailing meow), etc. You know, rather like "Spot" was presented on "The Munsters". Of course, where's the fun if we never get to see her face? Sincerely, Bill __________________ Tempt the Hand of Fate and it'll give you the "finger"! Freighter Tails: the Misadventures of Mzzkiti

September 8 2012, 12:54 AM	#111
USS Excelsior Fleet Captain Location: Alpha Quadrant	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) Is there any kind of timetable on when we can expect to see Kitumba? And if there are any timetables for the others as well. BTW when Buck Rogers referred to going to meet the Emperor of the Klingon Empire that was a mistake since Gowron said there hasn't been an emperor for 3 centuries.

September 12 2012, 08:58 PM	#113
deep_edward Ensign	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) Whatever else they do, for the love of god, please give Peter Kirk a new boyfriend or find a way to resurrect Freeman. While I have to give kudos to New Voyages for producing the Blood & Fire script, I was not a fan of the "tragic gay death" ending and I don't think I can bear another episode with Peter moping around like he's a step away from hanging himself (even though the actor who plays him does it very well!).

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September 13 2012, 01:17 AM	#114
GSchnitzer Co-Executive Producer Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA, Terra	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) Well, as part of our show's Writers and Directors Guide, we envisioned that the late Alex Freeman was from a race/planet of clones and "everyone is pretty much the same." The ironic twist is that we would meet Brion Freeman (one of Peter's numerous "brothers") and we would find Brion to be straight. This would cause some awkwardness (and plot conflicts)--not only for Brion but for Peter Kirk as well. (Peter's advances were to be brutally rejected by Brion.) We may yet see this story line. But we're wary of making this "The Peter Kirk Show" (much less "The Brion Freeman Show" when Star Trek is actually about Captain Kirk, Mister Spock, and Doctor McCoy. But you never know where Star Trek Phase II will take us. __________________ Greg Schnitzer Co-Executive Producer Star Trek Phase II http://www.startrekphase2.com http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3348883/

September 13 2012, 04:35 AM	#117
deep_edward Ensign	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) How would it send right wing dingbats flapping in the wind? This is how homophobes want gay characters to be portrayed, if they're going to be portrayed at all: as perpetually unhappy victims. I'm honestly having a hard time believing this is for real.

September 13 2012, 10:24 AM	#118
Barbreader Captain Location: New York, New York	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) With all due respect, most of the love stories in Trek end in death or break-up. The happy endings are rare. B&F is just like most of the Trek love stories. The only thing a twing different is that the couple is gay. If you want more Trek about LGBT (I think that's right) look at the many films produced by Hidden Frontier. http://www.hiddenfrontier.com/ __________________ Star Trek Reviewed links to hundreds of Star Trek Fan Films and Reviews

September 13 2012, 11:57 AM	#119
lennier1 Commodore Location: Germany	Re: Phase II "Going Boldly" (new vignette) OTOH HF had a tendency to turn the cast's sexuality into a big issue instead of just another aspect of the characters' life. __________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.