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Old August 9 2012, 07:59 PM   #346
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Re: The All-New DALLAS!

If Rebecca does turn out to be Afton Cooper's daughter, it will muddy the family tree even further:

Afton's brother Mitch is/was? married to Lucy, so that would make Rebecca not only Christopher's cousin, but simultaneously make her Lucy's cousin and niece.

Of Lucy's three appearances this season, she's not once mentioned Mitch nor her own marital status, so it's entirely possible they got (another) divorce, but also just as likely they're still married.

I can't wait for season two!
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Old August 9 2012, 08:40 PM   #347
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Great ending, even if too much of the resolution was through the efforts of offscreen Ewing minions. I really hope this means Rebecca (or whatever her real name is, I'm voting for Afton Jr) is going to evolve from the boo hoo queen of the show into the scheming vixen that this show desperately needs. But I doubt the writers will rescind her love for Chris, so she'll be a vixen with a heart of gold. that works.

For those who remember the old show better than I do, what is the plausibility factor for Cliff having a daughter about the same age maybe a little younger than Christopher and John Ross, that nobody ever knew abou?
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Old August 9 2012, 08:53 PM   #348
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Here's another possibility - Rebecca could be Cliff's daughter by Michelle Stevens (April's sister). Cliff tricked her into marrying him at the end of the original series in order to get control of Ewing Oil (which he succeeded in doing), and even though she wound up not going to jail for killing Hilary Taylor, nothing was done (at least, on screen) to indicate she divorced him.

The last time we saw Michelle, she was moving in to Carter McKay's house (which had previously been Ray and Jenna's house) built on the Southfork land Jock gave to Ray.

Is it possible Cliff somehow made amends with Michelle (who ended her run on the series spurned by James choosing Deborah Lynn over her) and thus getting back together with Cliff in order to help him finally screw over the Ewings?

Even more fun to consider: if Rebecca is Michelle's daughter, Chris would still have married someone who would have otherwise been his cousin!
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Old August 9 2012, 08:58 PM   #349
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The original series ended about 20 years ago, but Faux-becca couldn't be that young so her childhood must overlap the show's run at the end. Did Cliff drop out of the picture towards the end? I really only watched a couple years in the 80s. I don't even remember the boys being children on the show.

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Old August 9 2012, 09:11 PM   #350
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^^ Pamela Rebecca Cooper was Cliff's daughter, by Afton, in the first reunion movie, "J.R. Returns," and a wholly different character who was never seen again. Though (and I can't recall specifically at the moment) I have a feeling that when Afton came back to the series (briefly) in the late '80s, it was hinted at/established that she did have a daughter and that Cliff was the father. The reunion movie, I think wound up picking up that thread and resolving it.

Since the reunion movies have been disregarded, I wouldn't worry about it too much though.
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Old August 9 2012, 09:43 PM   #351
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^ But since Pamela Rebecca was a teenager in that first movie, she'd be old enough to have been born during the original series.

Afton left the series for quite a while, so who knows? Plus she's rumored to be returning.

That's if they decide to keep "Pamela Rebecca" as Cliff & Afton's daughter and not make the character Cliff's & someone else's, like others have speculated.
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Old August 9 2012, 10:34 PM   #352
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If Pamela Rebecca were being reintroduced into the series, how old would she be? And has she ever met any of the Ewings as a teen or older? I could see the producers deciding to borrow selectively from the reunion movies even tho they seem to be roundly despised.

Star Trek movies and TV sometimes makes use of elements from books even though they are non canon, selectively choosing only the elements they want to retain.

If something similar is happening here, that means that if Chris has met Cousin Pam, and should recognize her later because they were in their teens, that element might be tossed out and the character name kept.
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Old August 9 2012, 10:42 PM   #353
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Well, Christopher, John Ross, Bobby, Sue Ellen, and J.R. all met Pamela Rebecca Cooper in "J.R. Returns." Christopher and John Ross in particular spent most of their time in the film with her. They'd all remember her.
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Old August 10 2012, 02:03 AM   #354
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I hope they keep the name Pamela at least.

Patrick Duffy on the importance of the Barnes/Ewing feud.
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Old August 10 2012, 02:13 AM   #355
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Well keep in mind also that Cliff, Pam and Katherine's mother's name was Rebecca. So either way if they pseudo-reference the reunion movie/keep that bit or not, it is still within perfectly acceptable reason that he would name his daughter (or Afton, if she's the mother) after Rebecca.
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Old August 10 2012, 02:46 AM   #356
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The cast is currently prepping to begin filming the second season of TNT’s reboot, in the city of Dallas, Texas, with their first day on set slated for Sept. 25. And while the network has not yet set the premiere date, fans can expect to see the show return to the airwaves sometime in January.
Cool. Sooner than I expected.

So what, 7 or 8 episodes, then a break?
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Old August 11 2012, 01:32 PM   #357
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The cast is currently prepping to begin filming the second season of TNT’s reboot, in the city of Dallas, Texas, with their first day on set slated for Sept. 25. And while the network has not yet set the premiere date, fans can expect to see the show return to the airwaves sometime in January.
Cool. Sooner than I expected.

So what, 7 or 8 episodes, then a break?
Sounds about right for cable seasons these days. Lets just hope we don't have to wait multiple years for a season three.
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Old August 11 2012, 04:32 PM   #358
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Or it could just be a straight run of 15 episodes. Some shows do get orders like that, and honestly - I'd much prefer something like that. Then again, the old DALLAS was renowned for its jaw-dropping cliffhangers, so if they can come up with a really good one for Episode 206 I'd be happy.
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Old August 11 2012, 08:29 PM   #359
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^ "Who Did J.R. Shoot" ?

I'm a little surprised they showed us who got shot (Rebecca or Tommy). Unless they weren't sure about a second season when they were filming that episode.

The last 1st season episode seemed like more of a set-up for a potential next season.
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Old August 11 2012, 08:39 PM   #360
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^ "Who Did J.R. Shoot" ?
I know he's held various characters at gunpoint, most notably Clayton Farlow. Typically though, people point their guns at J.R. and some shoot him! (Kristin and Sue Ellen come to mind...)

I'm a little surprised they showed us who got shot (Rebecca or Tommy). Unless they weren't sure about a second season when they were filming that episode.
Well, they finished shooting the first season last year; the show didn't get picked up for a second season until a few weeks ago, so its entirely possible that's the reason.

The last 1st season episode seemed like more of a set-up for a potential next season.
This early on, it only makes sense to wrap up your storyline (in case you get axed) but also plant as many seeds as possible to mine next season (if you get picked up.)
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