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Old August 8 2012, 01:24 PM   #76
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What if that building-sized car got stuck?
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Old August 8 2012, 06:20 PM   #77
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I think it had bathrooms...not sure...they'd be screwed food wise, unless somebody started hacking up passengers...
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Old August 8 2012, 08:29 PM   #78
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Most of the other technology displayed in the movie was pretty neat, like the "hand phones" that became smart-phones when pressed against glass. I can actually see something similar to that happening in the not too distant future.

The maglev cars were neat and probably the most "realistic" depiction of "flying cars" that are still automobile-like and not the slightly smaller planes "real" flying cars are going to be like. These "flying cars" were more like the mostly unrestricted flying ones depicted in most movies (like Back to the Future.)

But everything LoB said about "The Fall" is spot on. It just does not make sense when you think about it for a moment and especially when you "do the math" and know how the earth is made up. (As Lo said, the Earth isn't very "solid" it's pretty damn rubbery and flexible and changes dimensions depending on it's orientation to the sun.)

What's dumb is "The Fall" violates the common sense thoughts of "the easiest way is the best way." Or the old KISS method.

If you can send a building-sized structure through the planet and arrive at the other side inside of 20 minutes you've obviously some mad technology. Why go through the risk of such a system not to mention the over-design of it when it'd be much simpler to, I dunno, build a high-speed rail system across the continents and ocean(s) between Europe and Australia? If you can move a building at Mach 37 through 10,000 degree liquid rock I think sending a pressurized train at that speed across the surface of the planet (or even inside the mantle) shouldn't be that much more complicated.

Now, sure, your 8,000 mile trip just became a 10,000 mile one but some rough math tells me a 17 minute trip just became about 25 minutes long. Still faster than what it takes most people to get to work just from the suburbs to a city 20 miles away in rush-hour traffic. Obviously trains still work in the "No-Zone" including decades old underground trains that have been pressurized and even aircraft still work. So seems to me a very high-speed rail system would be a touch more practical (and realistic) to have instead of this "elevator through the damn center of the Earth!" thing.
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Old August 9 2012, 12:28 AM   #79
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Most of the other technology displayed in the movie was pretty neat, like the "hand phones" that became smart-phones when pressed against glass. I can actually see something similar to that happening in the not too distant future.

The maglev cars were neat and probably the most "realistic" depiction of "flying cars" that are still automobile-like and not the slightly smaller planes "real" flying cars are going to be like. These "flying cars" were more like the mostly unrestricted flying ones depicted in most movies (like Back to the Future.)

But everything LoB said about "The Fall" is spot on. It just does not make sense when you think about it for a moment and especially when you "do the math" and know how the earth is made up. (As Lo said, the Earth isn't very "solid" it's pretty damn rubbery and flexible and changes dimensions depending on it's orientation to the sun.)

What's dumb is "The Fall" violates the common sense thoughts of "the easiest way is the best way." Or the old KISS method.

If you can send a building-sized structure through the planet and arrive at the other side inside of 20 minutes you've obviously some mad technology. Why go through the risk of such a system not to mention the over-design of it when it'd be much simpler to, I dunno, build a high-speed rail system across the continents and ocean(s) between Europe and Australia? If you can move a building at Mach 37 through 10,000 degree liquid rock I think sending a pressurized train at that speed across the surface of the planet (or even inside the mantle) shouldn't be that much more complicated.

Now, sure, your 8,000 mile trip just became a 10,000 mile one but some rough math tells me a 17 minute trip just became about 25 minutes long. Still faster than what it takes most people to get to work just from the suburbs to a city 20 miles away in rush-hour traffic. Obviously trains still work in the "No-Zone" including decades old underground trains that have been pressurized and even aircraft still work. So seems to me a very high-speed rail system would be a touch more practical (and realistic) to have instead of this "elevator through the damn center of the Earth!" thing.
I still say just build bigger and faster planes! Why are you laying any kind of tracks at all - along the surface or through the mantle - for an intercontinental, transoceanic commute? It's the worst kind of overthinking!
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Old August 11 2012, 06:52 AM   #80
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i think i'll repeat much of what has been said.

My onew original thought: i thought John Cho's brief appearance was great. And witht he blond hair & facial hair, made me think of him as his character, rather than John Cho in another movie. A lot of passion that worked for him. (But too brief)

The special effects were really good. Where the Arnold movie had some bad ones...these were consistently good.

For the Fall..i'd be willing to suspend disbelief, just because it's "original" . Though of course lots of reasons to diss it (really, a cross world commute is needed all the time???). But itg looked cool and gave a great excuse for Quaid to get the upper hand.

The movie was just not "fun"...nor made me think. The ad campaign would have worked with Arnold's...but it feels like no attempt was made to make us (or even Quaid) question what is real or not.

I wouldn't have needed all the one-liner's Arnold's movie had...but a few more lines (or really a comic relief character) would have helped a lot.

The should have named this Total Rekall (with a "K") and could have had a simpler web site name.

I didn't want to see Amazing Spiderman becuase it just seemed too close to the originals for a remake, and nothing seems to be added. After seeing Recall, i wish i would have seen Spiderman, or even The Campaign instead.

The commercials made me think this was not just a ripoff of the Arnold TR but also of the 5th Element (with the hover cars), and perhaps other stuff too. But my wife really wanted to see it.

I give this movie a B-.

P.S. We saw this Friday night at 8pm today/yesterday. There were only 4 people in the theater. Not a good sign, i think.
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Old August 11 2012, 02:21 PM   #81
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Why couldn't they just do a fresh interpretation of the actual short story? Why did it have to be Total Recall - The Remake: Without Mars?
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Old August 11 2012, 02:34 PM   #82
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Why couldn't they just do a fresh interpretation of the actual short story? Why did it have to be Total Recall - The Remake: Without Mars?
Weren't people defending this remake saying how it was going to be more faithful to the short story?
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Old August 11 2012, 05:27 PM   #83
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Did Mars get cut out of this movie for the same reason that it got cut out of the John Carter title?
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Old August 11 2012, 08:40 PM   #84
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Why couldn't they just do a fresh interpretation of the actual short story? Why did it have to be Total Recall - The Remake: Without Mars?
Weren't people defending this remake saying how it was going to be more faithful to the short story?
Yep, that was the joke, but the only similarity between it and the original story was the lack of Mars.

And let's talk about that. In the actual story, aliens are pivotal to the ending, so actually, that's one more point for the Ah-nuld version!
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Old August 11 2012, 08:46 PM   #85
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Why couldn't they just do a fresh interpretation of the actual short story? Why did it have to be Total Recall - The Remake: Without Mars?
Weren't people defending this remake saying how it was going to be more faithful to the short story?
At first, though, that's what it was thought it was going to be. More faithful to the source material. It turned out to just be an almost note-for-note remake of the Ahnold Governorator movie, minus Mars. Which, now, really seems like a silly thing to have dropped given the "problems" the new idea had and how it didn't add anything. At least with Mars it'd have an interesting location to visit to give the movie some special aspect.

I was telling a friend about this movie and I said that while it was good it doesn't hold up the the original. And the original, let us be honest, isn't that good. It corny and cheesy as hell and is a pretty darn typical 80s (yes it was released in 1990 but the movie is very much more indicative of the 1980s, the decade in which it was produced) Schwarzenegger action movie. But that's just it and what made it "good" because Arnold is 80s/90s action movie awesome.

Here we are 22 years after that movie came out and it can still be very much called something of a "classic" for its time. People remember and quote lines from it all of the time, remember the eye-bulging scene in the Martian atmosphere it has it all.

In 22 years people won't be quoting Colin Ferrel's rather pedestrian performance in this movie. Or thinking of Kate Beckinsale as just one of those "movie villains" you love to hate. (Like Ronny Cox and Michael Ironside manged to pull off in many of their more memorable roles.)
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Old August 12 2012, 11:29 PM   #86
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I thought the remake was a solid movie with excellent action sequences that managed to be more than just something you'd see in every other movie. I do wish they had gone to Mars, though I kinda regret watching the original the night before because the first 2/3 or so of the movie was a pretty step-by-step remake.

Speaking of the original, that really holds up well. It still looks pretty good effects wise, even though it's all clearly shot on sound stage, that kind of makes sense since Mars is underground tunnels. And there's just so many iconic scenes in it! It's probably my favorite Ahnuld non-Terminator movie.
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Old August 29 2012, 02:11 PM   #87
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Paul Verhoeven doesn't think Total Recall 2012 was a good movie.
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Old August 30 2012, 02:36 AM   #88
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Paul Verhoeven doesn't think Total Recall 2012 was a good movie.
Speaking of the original, it's one of the two movies I have on BluRay.

Watching it again recently, I was surprised at how closely the newer movie follows it, beat for beat. Aside from a few aesthetic changes (no Mars, no mutants) it's basically the same movie.

So much for those of us who thought it was going to be a closer adaption of the book eh

And I agree with Roger Ebert's review, Arnold's version has much more heart in it.
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Old August 30 2012, 02:53 AM   #89
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Well, the ending was pretty different. They seem to diverge in the last third or so of the movie.
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Old August 30 2012, 03:24 AM   #90
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Paul Verhoeven doesn't think Total Recall 2012 was a good movie.
Speaking of the original, it's one of the two movies I have on BluRay.

Watching it again recently, I was surprised at how closely the newer movie follows it, beat for beat. Aside from a few aesthetic changes (no Mars, no mutants) it's basically the same movie.

So much for those of us who thought it was going to be a closer adaption of the book eh

And I agree with Roger Ebert's review, Arnold's version has much more heart in it.
Yeah, originally it was thought this new one would more follow the short-story but in reality it turned out to be very much more a "remake" of the Arnold movie.

And, as you say, it's pretty much a beat-for-beat, note-for-note remake. But desperately lacks the charm and just "fun" of the Arnold movie. Not to mention the "nifty!" factor of it taking place on Mars.
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