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Old August 8 2012, 04:42 AM   #886
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I honestly didn't remember the Army of the Dead from the book at all. Granted, it was a long time that I read the book, but when they popped up in the movie, I remember not having a clue who they were.
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Old August 8 2012, 05:05 AM   #887
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In the book, the army of the dead scared away the corsairs of Umbar and Aragorn used their ships to sail an army upriver that he had gathered from the south. Not like the scrubbing bubble deus ex machina that was the movie version.
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Old August 8 2012, 05:07 AM   #888
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In the book, the army of the dead scared away the corsairs of Umbar and Aragorn used their ships to sail an army upriver that he had gathered from the south. Not like the scrubbing bubble deus ex machina that was the movie version.
Yeah, though I can understand why they changed it in the movie. Faster and also "cooler."
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Old August 8 2012, 09:05 AM   #889
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Yeah, I think if that if after all that build up, all they used the ghost army for was to scare a few pirates away then it wouldn't have played very well on film. Again, this is the difference between print and film. In print, big action scenes can be oh so boring, even if well written. So most authors worth their salt tend to skirt around such things to instead focus on the characters.

I like to think 'Dune' has a good example of this is. The two big conflicts that take place in the book--the fall of house Atreides & the climatic battle of Arrakeen--take place almost entierly off screen...page...whatever. Indeed, the most gripping "action" scene in the whole book was just a one-on-one knife fight between Paul and that Fremen the first night after they escaped.

Actually, the Hobbit has a good example too: battle of the five armies. Bilbo get knocked out about 10 seconds in and Galdalf describes it to him later...and I'm pretty sure if they did *that* on screen and not actually show the battle, then I think even Tolkien purists would be pissed.

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Old August 8 2012, 02:49 PM   #890
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Looks like the 48 fps version of the film will only be getting a limited release. Hooray!

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/...e-in-48-frames
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Old August 8 2012, 06:47 PM   #891
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^I imagine that has to do with most theatres not being equipped for it yet. In the long run I'm sure it'll pay off. Indeed, I'm sure when it comes out, Avatar 2 will encourage more exhibitors to get the new equipment and then they can do a general re-release...not that it matters to me as I'll be waiting for the bluray. My local cinema is shite.
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Old August 8 2012, 06:51 PM   #892
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Hooray!
Just... why?
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Old August 8 2012, 07:39 PM   #893
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Hooray!
Just... why?
Because I don't want my epic fantasy film looking like a soap opera, thankyouverymuch.
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Old August 8 2012, 08:00 PM   #894
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I love the LOTR books and movies, but I have to say I agree with some of the people that posted here. Three movies is way too much. Two movies was pushing it, but three is ridiculous. I don't care wether it was for money reasons (which I think is likely, reguardless of what other people in this topic have said) or because the people making them really wanted to make 3 movies, it makes no sense to make a book that was probably half the size of the other books into 3 seperate movies. I blame Harry Potter. They got away with splitting #7 (which I actually thought worked) so now everyone is cashing in on what they did. That doesn't mean the Hobbit movies won't be good, I'm sure they'll be great, and i'm sure I'll see them if at all possible.

Still, I think its stupid to make three movies, and probably very hard unless they just make up half the stuff. I'm prepared to have the first 50 minutes of movie one just deal with bilbo's history from age 0-whatever age he was when he went on the adventure, or maybe they'll tell the untold story of Gandalf's childhood and how he became the Wizard he was during the LOTR's books (my guess is that Radagast teased him mercilessly ).
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Old August 8 2012, 08:40 PM   #895
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Hooray!
Just... why?
Because I don't want my epic fantasy film looking like a soap opera, thankyouverymuch.
LOL I spilled my drink laughing!

I agree!
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Old August 8 2012, 10:00 PM   #896
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I blame Harry Potter. They got away with splitting #7 (which I actually thought worked) so now everyone is cashing in on what they did.
FWIW, the decision to split The Deathly Hallows was announced three months after the announcement that The Hobbit would be two films:

  • Hobbit announcement link (2007-12-18)
  • Potter announcement link (2008-03-13)

As for the decision itself, I completely understand why people would be concerned, but the outright condemnation of the idea seems premature to me. I do think the issue of where the films split will be important, as will the overall pacing. But until I see how the first film handles these issues, I'll give Jackson the benefit of the doubt.
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Old August 8 2012, 10:18 PM   #897
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I love the LOTR books and movies, but I have to say I agree with some of the people that posted here. Three movies is way too much. Two movies was pushing it, but three is ridiculous. I don't care wether it was for money reasons (which I think is likely, reguardless of what other people in this topic have said) or because the people making them really wanted to make 3 movies, it makes no sense to make a book that was probably half the size of the other books into 3 seperate movies. I blame Harry Potter. They got away with splitting #7 (which I actually thought worked) so now everyone is cashing in on what they did. That doesn't mean the Hobbit movies won't be good, I'm sure they'll be great, and i'm sure I'll see them if at all possible.

Still, I think its stupid to make three movies, and probably very hard unless they just make up half the stuff. I'm prepared to have the first 50 minutes of movie one just deal with bilbo's history from age 0-whatever age he was when he went on the adventure, or maybe they'll tell the untold story of Gandalf's childhood and how he became the Wizard he was during the LOTR's books (my guess is that Radagast teased him mercilessly ).
You may be right, but I am waiting to see all three movies before I make that assessment.
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Old August 8 2012, 10:30 PM   #898
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Do you think they are going ton have the actual ending of the book's narrative, like the confrontation with Smaug, be in the second or the third film?
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Old August 8 2012, 10:50 PM   #899
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or maybe they'll tell the untold story of Gandalf's childhood and how he became the Wizard he was during the LOTR's books (my guess is that Radagast teased him mercilessly
I doubt it...

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Old August 10 2012, 12:57 AM   #900
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Looks like the 48 fps version of the film will only be getting a limited release. Hooray!

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/...e-in-48-frames
Well, I hope it'll be available in my area. There will always be theaters that don't have 48 fps because they can't upgrade. But a limited release means it'll be difficult to track it down. Since the intent was to film it this way, I'd like to see it the way it was intended.

Hopefully, the limited release will be a success and they'll expand it to other markets.
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