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Old August 6 2012, 04:19 PM   #136
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Re: Janeway returning to Trek Lit?

The Voyager novels have taken the idea of introducing new characters a little too far for me. While DS9 and TNG introduced new characters to fill spaces in their personnel roster, the new Voyager novels have introduced entirely new characters on ships of their own. Voyager's characters were weak, but they don't need sidelined.
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Old August 6 2012, 06:12 PM   #137
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And this speculated over reaction is more likely than the clerk noticing while restocking or just having it brought to their attention by a customer asking for their desired book how? Your reaction here seems as overblown as teacake's idea seems trivial.
I've worked in retail. I know how hard store clerks work to properly stock a store's inventory; it's often long and unpleasant work, and imagining someone deliberately messing that up strikes me as so basically disrespectful that it makes me angry. No one's saying it's the same thing as theft or what-have-you, but it's a very casual form of selfishness.
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Old August 6 2012, 10:27 PM   #138
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And this speculated over reaction is more likely than the clerk noticing while restocking or just having it brought to their attention by a customer asking for their desired book how? Your reaction here seems as overblown as teacake's idea seems trivial.
I've worked in retail. I know how hard store clerks work to properly stock a store's inventory; it's often long and unpleasant work, and imagining someone deliberately messing that up strikes me as so basically disrespectful that it makes me angry. No one's saying it's the same thing as theft or what-have-you, but it's a very casual form of selfishness.
So, your projecting your feelings onto everyone else. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Old August 6 2012, 10:31 PM   #139
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Re: Janeway returning to Trek Lit?

Heh...mildly funny thing to say given we have people talking about boycotting all Trek literature, screwing around with bookstores, etc...
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Old August 6 2012, 10:40 PM   #140
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"People"?

Is this OCCUPY TREKLIT?!

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Old August 6 2012, 10:51 PM   #141
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"People"?

Is this OCCUPY TREKLIT?!

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Old August 7 2012, 01:27 PM   #142
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Gov Kodos wrote: View Post
teacake wrote: View Post
"People"?

Is this OCCUPY TREKLIT?!

:: happy dance ::
You're the one who is many.
Actually, she IS the 1%!!!!!!
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Old August 19 2012, 10:37 PM   #143
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For anyone who's interested, Simon&Schuster has posted an exerpt of TET on its website, part of the 1st chapter from the beginning, FYI: http://books.simonandschuster.com/St...668186/excerpt (lol, it's starting....)
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Old August 19 2012, 10:40 PM   #144
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Old August 19 2012, 11:07 PM   #145
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Well the excerpt is pretty good. I am reminded of an old writing rule, Chekhov’s Gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov%27s_gun

Chekhov's gun is a literary technique whereby an apparently irrelevant element is introduced early in the story whose significance becomes clear later in the narrative. The concept is named after Russian playwright Anton Chekhov, who mentioned several variants of the concept in letters.

The phrase "Chekhov's gun" is often interpreted as a method of foreshadowing, but the concept can also be interpreted as meaning "do not include any unnecessary elements in a story." Failure to observe the rule of "Chekhov's gun" may be cited by critics when discussing plot holes.

Chekhov's statements of this principle
• "One must not put a loaded rifle on the stage if no one is thinking of firing it." Chekhov, letter to Aleksandr Semenovich Lazarev (pseudonym of A. S. Gruzinsky), 1 November 1889.
• "If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there." From Gurlyand's Reminiscences of A. P. Chekhov, in Teatr i iskusstvo 1904, No. 28, 11 July, p. 521.’[1]
• "If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there." From S. Shchukin, Memoirs (1911)
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Old August 20 2012, 01:31 AM   #146
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Let's hope Chekhov's gun in this case is Janeway and not Chak's sister.
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Old August 20 2012, 03:30 AM   #147
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Let's hope Chekhov's gun in this case is Janeway and not Chak's sister.
I think that both characters would fall under the Chekhov's Gun trope, we should be seeing them both. This is the set up, the hook to get the reader started.
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Old August 20 2012, 09:34 PM   #148
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Galekarens wrote: View Post
For anyone who's interested, Simon&Schuster has posted an exerpt of TET on its website, part of the 1st chapter from the beginning, FYI: http://books.simonandschuster.com/St...668186/excerpt (lol, it's starting....)
Wekk I guess we all will just have to wait and see.

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Old August 20 2012, 10:58 PM   #149
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But hopefully she ISN'T a ghost
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Old August 20 2012, 10:59 PM   #150
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that only works for fairies and Doctor Who.
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