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View Poll Results: Rate Fallen Gods.
Outstanding 1 1.12%
Above Average 14 15.73%
Average 40 44.94%
Below Average 23 25.84%
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Old August 1 2012, 09:25 PM   #106
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Old August 1 2012, 09:33 PM   #107
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Just happened to see this out at my local B&N and snatched it up. Was only on the New Release paperback shelf and not doubled up on the Trek shelf, and at the lowest lefthand corner. Weird, as the trek books are usually at head-height on the NRPB shelf. As well, the book is a regular glossy cover, which makes the cover treatment look pretty poor. No matte finish, no raised title section. Shame as I thought it was nice to have a distinct cover treatment and texture for a distinct series.
I was afraid of that. I love the Titan series' cover designs but not having the matte finish and raised title section along the side kinda ruins the look.
But the cover for Fallen Gods is actually rather awful. The picture of Riker is just bland, the ship is not very well shown and the colors look hideous.
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Old August 2 2012, 02:59 AM   #108
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You have no idea how happy I'd be if the next Titan book was by KRAD. Is all I'm saying.
I'd drink to that
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I'll triple-drink to that! KRAD hasn't wrote a ST book in a LONG time.
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Old August 2 2012, 01:50 PM   #109
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But the cover for Fallen Gods is actually rather awful.
It seriously is. Unbelievably ugly. I understand having to make some compromises for budget constraints, but, DAMN!
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Old August 2 2012, 03:56 PM   #110
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^Well, at least they replaced the picture of the Ent-E with one of the Titan.


Secondly, there are 3 reader reviews for Fallen Gods currently at Amazon.com. All 3 give it a 3/5 rating and none of them seem too satisfied with the read.
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Old August 2 2012, 04:47 PM   #111
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Almost finished and it's strictly average for me. There are parts I enjoyed, but other parts just felt a bit dull
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Old August 2 2012, 07:29 PM   #112
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Almost finished and it's strictly average for me. There are parts I enjoyed, but other parts just felt a bit dull
Sounds like the typical Martin novel.
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Old August 2 2012, 07:46 PM   #113
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It was average. I wanted some more explanations of some characters, but such was not to be. I don't expect Michael Martin to be surpassingly brilliant, so it was a good outing for him. With David Mack, Chris Bennett or Kirsten Beyer, I have higher expectations.
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Old August 2 2012, 10:47 PM   #114
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I'm not yet done with chapter one and I'm already finding it highly annoying. All those names with atrophies. Why can't we have easier to read names? Do Star Trek alien names and place names have to be long, complicated and have apostrophes?

No, they do not. So stop making them such. It just annoys the reader.

Unless this gets better, based on chapter one, I'd call it poor.
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Old August 3 2012, 12:33 AM   #115
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Lots of human personal and place names are long, complicated, and have apostrophes. Why should alien names be any different?
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Old August 3 2012, 12:37 AM   #116
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Personally, I don't mind or even like to work a little for my alieness, and - keeping in mind I still haven't read any of them - it sort of fits my idea of what Titan is supposed to be.

And I love things like the clever way to typeset telepathic dialogues in Bester's The Demolished Man ...
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Old August 3 2012, 02:47 AM   #117
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Finished the book in short order...mixed feelings on this one...

Before I get into it, for the record, I was among the many disappointed with Seize the Fire. My initial reaction was extreme disappointment, which was tempered after a second reading a few months later. But tempering "that sucked" is a slight improvement.



So final verdict - meh. Interesting science and cultural implications for the alien of the week, but missing the potential. And the Federation/Typhon Pact developments are incredulous at best, utterly nonsensical at worst.
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Old August 3 2012, 11:45 AM   #118
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(speaking of, how far out of sync is the "alpha quadrant timeline" and Titan now? It seems like it should be a few years separation. Is it just me or are we slowly returning to the pre-Destiny/Typhon Pact setup of differentiating timelines for each series?)
Seize the Fire, the last TTN novel, was roughly simultaneous with Zero Sum Game, in August 2382. And this one clearly takes place sometime after Paths of Disharmony, which was mostly in October '82. Raise the Dawn ends in late September or early October '83, not counting the epilogue which is about a year later.

And we already returned to differentiated timelines after Destiny ended several years ago. The post-DES novels took place at various different times and were published out of chronological order, and ditto for the first four Typhon Pact novels. Voyager has been proceeding at its own pace the whole time without any jumps forward to accommodate any of the Pact material. My DTI books have both been set a little earlier than the other 24th-century books coming out close to them. It's true that the Pact material has led to some big jumps forward in the TNG, DS9, and TTN chronologies, but it's hardly as if the series have been marching in lockstep.
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Old August 3 2012, 01:40 PM   #119
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I'm about 60% through this one, and I'm finding it to be an improvement over Seize the Fire. But one minor nitpick come to mind...

They talk about the Gum Nebula, which was the region they entered way back in Orion's Hounds and appeared to stay through until Destiny. But then I thought Over a Torrent Sea sent them off to a different region of space, yet here we are back in the Gum Nebula? Or am I missing something?
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Old August 3 2012, 03:21 PM   #120
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I've read a bit more of Fallen Gods and it has gotten better.

But, do we have to have yet another alien race that needs to be saved because an internal problem due to religion? How many alien races are going to get into trouble because of religion? This is an overused plot device (IMHO) and I think it's time we stopped using it for a while.
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