The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[RAMA]

captrek wrote:

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A fun experiment. I play the Blu Ray on my home theater while at the same time stream the show from Netflix on my tablet. It can get out of sync at the commercial breaks, which may be timed differently between the two versions, but aside from that it looks and sounds as if the tablet is playing a degraded version of the same signal as the home theater.

Ive played both together for comparisons....

[Start Wreck]

Netflix has commercial breaks?

[jefferiestubes8]

2009-2010

Michael Okuda: On a very nuts and bolts level, first we were brought in to look at that early test, frankly, what they were thinking of doing was taking the original standard definition video, which at the time, of course, was absolute state of the art, and enlarging it and using various animation techniques to make it look as good as possible. And it looked…pretty good. But we said, you know, 'If you do this, people are going to go, "Geez. It doesn't look that much different from my DVD."' And so the fact that they stepped up to the plate to say, "Hey, let's actually take the effort to rescan all the films.

Michael Okuda: On a very nuts and bolts level, first we were brought in to look at that early test, frankly, what they were thinking of doing was taking the original standard definition video, which at the time, of course, was absolute state of the art, and enlarging it and using various animation techniques to make it look as good as possible. And it looked…pretty good. But we said, you know, 'If you do this, people are going to go, "Geez. It doesn't look that much different from my DVD."' And so the fact that they stepped up to the plate to say, "Hey, let's actually take the effort to rescan all the films.

http://m.nbcchicago.com/nbcchicago/p...tguid=xP4Oh1yf

Makes you wonder when they would start on DS9-R...

[Falcor5]

BriGuy wrote:

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Excellent. I just sent an email.

This information merits being highlighted - front-paged, maybe even its own thread so noone misses it.

Having the two so-called "official" threads here gets confusing.

Cool just saw this and emailed them! Really great they are moving so fast on fixing this.

[Brikar99]

Start Wreck wrote:

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Netflix has commercial breaks?

It has the fade-ins and outs where a commercial break would be, with a couple seconds of black in between.

[FrontierTrek]

Regarding European disc replacements - I confirmed with CBS today that they are in the midst of putting a programme together for this and instructions for international customers will be announced as soon as it is finalised.

Wonderful to see such a great response after only 6 days of the blu-ray being on shelves!

In the meantime... our Blu-Ray screencaps continue, with some stunning images from the (not-so-stunning-episode) 'Code of Honor':
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=6

The Observations article will follow with our partners at Ex Astris Scientia very soon!

[bullethead]

FrontierTrek wrote:

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In the meantime... our Blu-Ray screencaps continue, with some stunning images from the (not-so-stunning-episode) 'Code of Honor':
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=6

The Observations article will follow with our partners at Ex Astris Scientia very soon!

I'm incredibly amused by the fact that the torpedoes still detonate in low orbit rather than in the actual atmosphere.

[M]

Here's the brief sequence I was talking about in the other thread. It looks like this was simply upscaled from SD, doesn't it? It's even more jarring in motion, actually.

[FrontierTrek]

NCC-1701 wrote:

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Here's the brief sequence I was talking about in the other thread. It looks like this was simply upscaled from SD, doesn't it? It's even more jarring in motion, actually.

Definitely not upscaled - there's so much more detail in the shot compared to the SD version. But there are certainly some issues with that particular shot, perhaps one of the resident videophiles here can shed some light on it.

[Maxwell Everett]

NCC-1701 wrote:

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Here's the brief sequence I was talking about in the other thread. It looks like this was simply upscaled from SD, doesn't it? It's even more jarring in motion, actually.

Good catch! I can now see what you were talking about... those are scaling artifacts. For some reason the original shot (after being scanned from film) ended up with a vertical resolution of 540p, and they did a simple "Nearest Neighbor" enlargement to 1080p.

You can verify this by taking the TrekCore image into Photoshop and reducing the vertical resolution by half to 540 (uncheck "Constrain Proportions"). The image will now be squashed, but the "jaggies" will be gone. Now scale it back up to 1080 using "Nearest Neighbor"-- it will look the same as it did before.

[Trekker4747]

Anyone else notice the flickering/failing fluorescent light inside the transporter room wall panel? Never noticed it before but it's very obvious in pretty much every scene that takes place in the transporter room where the panel is seen. Obviously the ballast to the fixture was going out during the filming of the season and no one could take the 20-minutes to replace it.

[GameOn]

Maxwell Everett wrote:

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Good catch! I can now see what you were talking about... those are scaling artifacts. For some reason the original shot (after being scanned from film) ended up with a vertical resolution of 540p, and they did a simple "Nearest Neighbor" enlargement to 1080p.

You can verify this by taking the TrekCore image into Photoshop and reducing the vertical resolution by half to 540 (uncheck "Constrain Proportions"). The image will now be squashed, but the "jaggies" will be gone. Now scale it back up to 1080 using "Nearest Neighbor"-- it will look the same as it did before.

I've wondered something similar since seeing that shot. It's kind of like they've taken one 1080i interlaced field which would be 1920 x 540 and then stretched it out to fill the whole frame.

In "The Battle" when Wesley is talking to Dr Crusher and Troi there's a really obvious interlaced shot lasting for several seconds at 32:57 and then a pixelated one at 33:02.

I've noticed interlaced and pixelated frames here and there in a number of episodes, they're difficult to spot but going frame by frame you can see them. I don't understand why they're there as the blu-rays should have been produced end to end in progressive scan. I wonder if it's some sort of bit stream flag issue.

[raffie]

FrontierTrek wrote:

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Definitely not upscaled - there's so much more detail in the shot compared to the SD version. But there are certainly some issues with that particular shot, perhaps one of the resident videophiles here can shed some light on it.

This is an interlacing issue, the fields (odd lines / even lines) were switched. But then I would assume the blu-ray wouldn't contain interlaced video but rather progressive, so for some reason this interlaced piece of video was used which would also produce a result like this if your output was going to be progressive.

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

I think it is time to retire this well used thread since there are two new ones to play with in the sticky stack. Farewell old thread; you have served admirably.