"The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) - Page 44

Set Harth · July 29 2012, 04:36 AM

It's easier to disappear when Liam Neeson isn't around to track you down.

timothy · July 29 2012, 04:37 AM

Will there bea 4th film with the way it ended?

Guy Gardener · July 29 2012, 04:52 AM

No.

Kinda.

Nolan is done.

The next Batman movie(s) is/are a lead in to the justice league movie(s), which is if we follow the Avengers paradigm should take a 10 years to climax...

Maybe they'll keep Tommy on?

But I doubt it.

O'Dib · July 29 2012, 05:06 AM

They could cast Levitt and just call him Bruce Wayne. Wait.. who's Tommy?

Guy Gardener · July 29 2012, 05:28 AM

His character in 3rd Rock from the Sun.

It's just who I see him as first.

Set Harth · July 29 2012, 05:35 AM

If Carrie Fisher is in it she can be like "Aren't you a little short for a Batman?"

Guy Gardener · July 29 2012, 05:38 AM

Gordy was already a Batboy in Angels in the Outfield.

Besides, are we sure he's going to be a new Batman, and not Robin or Nightwing?

Mach5 · July 29 2012, 09:35 AM

Emh wrote:

The Avengers was incredibly fun. The Dark Knight Rises was more. Not only was it an amazing movie, it was a fantastic conclusion to an astounding trilogy. Thank you, Christopher Nolan, thank you, a million thank yous.

My thoughts too exactly. Avegers were awesome, but Nolan's Batman is in a league of its own.

Pauln6 · July 29 2012, 12:00 PM

Well I enjoyed the movie tremendously. Although it was too long, it didn't feel like they tagged on a condensed second movie in the final third like Dark Knight and Spiderman 3. They made good use of the characters although I would have liked more fisticuffs and bat gimmicks rather than cars and bikes.

Big thumbs up for a return to realistic explosions, low-key special effects, and logical plot progression. I hated the exploding hospital scene in Dark Knight because it just wasn't realsitic for the joker to be able to sneak in that amount of explosives all over the hospital, even within the bounds of realism in superhero movies. Mind you, I did also wonder where those motorcycles came from at the stock exchange in this one - bit weird but less so than the hospital explosion.

The producers would be bonkers not to take the franchise forward, even if with a new cast and new director. Nolan has been deliberate in his approach to the franchise - he's used known villains but hasn't rushed to include all the iconic ones. He's seeded all sorts of plot threads for the future - even Barbara Gordon would be about 13 right now. A reboot at this stage would be very annoying!

JarodRussell · July 29 2012, 12:10 PM

Why ruin a perfectly good trilogy with a 4th film?

The whole setup is gone. The next film would be John Blake vs. the Mob, with a little help from Fox when the Bat-Wing needs fuel.

Pauln6 · July 29 2012, 12:48 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

Why ruin a perfectly good trilogy with a 4th film?

The whole setup is gone. The next film would be John Blake vs. the Mob, with a little help from Fox when the Bat-Wing needs fuel.

Silly question - because a 4th film could make a shed load of money and will do nothing to diminish the pre-existing trilogy unless they really screw up and kill the surviving characters from the earlier movie in the opening scene...

This movie moved the timeline on by 8 years. The 'set-up' after a few more years could be very different indeed.

JarodRussell · July 29 2012, 12:52 PM

Pauln6 wrote:

Silly question - because a 4th film could make a shed load of money and will do nothing to diminish the pre-existing trilogy unless they really screw up and kill the surviving characters from the earlier movie in the opening scene...

Will happen when the actors don't return.

Speaking of actors... Rutger Hauer was missing in this.

Pauln6 · July 29 2012, 01:11 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

Pauln6 wrote:

Silly question - because a 4th film could make a shed load of money and will do nothing to diminish the pre-existing trilogy unless they really screw up and kill the surviving characters from the earlier movie in the opening scene...

Will happen when the actors don't return.

Speaking of actors... Rutger Hauer was missing in this.

If faced with the option of a reboot with different actors or a sequel with different actors, I happy with the sequel. That way I don't have to spend 45 minutes watching a slightly different take on an origin I already know. The new Spiderman movie was ok but it didn't have to be a reboot - the change of tone could easily have led from the after-effects of the black suit.

sonak · July 29 2012, 03:52 PM

a sequel would mar this trilogy. It has a nicely wrapped up conclusion to the arc, with the pieces where they should be.

Allyn Gibson · July 29 2012, 04:22 PM

Pauln6 wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

Why ruin a perfectly good trilogy with a 4th film?

The whole setup is gone. The next film would be John Blake vs. the Mob, with a little help from Fox when the Bat-Wing needs fuel.

Silly question - because a 4th film could make a shed load of money and will do nothing to diminish the pre-existing trilogy unless they really screw up and kill the surviving characters from the earlier movie in the opening scene...

This movie moved the timeline on by 8 years. The 'set-up' after a few more years could be very different indeed.

Like I said in the other thread on John Blake (specifically here), Warners should take a look at the returns on The Bourne Legacy before deciding on the direction they take with the Batman films. If Bourne is successful, then the studio may seen profit in continuing the series with Joseph Gordon Levitt.

Another route, and no one's discussed this, would be to treat the series like the Bond films. Bale and Nolan are done? Fine. Replace them but continue the continuity of the films. The same thing will happen with the Marvel films when the talent (actors and directors) become too expensive.

I don't think either approach would "ruin" the trilogy any more than Bourne Legacy will ruin the Bourne films or Before Watchmen ruins Watchmen. Nolan's three films are still there, and you can watch them whenever you want. Just because someone else picks up the toys and runs with them doesn't harm them.

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July 29 2012, 04:36 AM	#646
Set Harth Rear Admiral Location: Ekkaia	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) It's easier to disappear when Liam Neeson isn't around to track you down. __________________ "Your grandfather called me a ronin. A samurai without a master. Who has no reason to live." "Was he right?"

July 29 2012, 04:37 AM	#647
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July 29 2012, 04:52 AM	#648
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) No. Kinda. Nolan is done. The next Batman movie(s) is/are a lead in to the justice league movie(s), which is if we follow the Avengers paradigm should take a 10 years to climax... Maybe they'll keep Tommy on? But I doubt it. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

July 29 2012, 05:06 AM	#649
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July 29 2012, 05:28 AM	#650
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) His character in 3rd Rock from the Sun. It's just who I see him as first. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

July 29 2012, 05:35 AM	#651
Set Harth Rear Admiral Location: Ekkaia	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) If Carrie Fisher is in it she can be like "Aren't you a little short for a Batman?" __________________ "Your grandfather called me a ronin. A samurai without a master. Who has no reason to live." "Was he right?"

July 29 2012, 05:38 AM	#652
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Gordy was already a Batboy in Angels in the Outfield. Besides, are we sure he's going to be a new Batman, and not Robin or Nightwing? __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

July 29 2012, 12:00 PM	#654
Pauln6 Commodore Location: Bristol, United Kingdom	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Well I enjoyed the movie tremendously. Although it was too long, it didn't feel like they tagged on a condensed second movie in the final third like Dark Knight and Spiderman 3. They made good use of the characters although I would have liked more fisticuffs and bat gimmicks rather than cars and bikes. Big thumbs up for a return to realistic explosions, low-key special effects, and logical plot progression. I hated the exploding hospital scene in Dark Knight because it just wasn't realsitic for the joker to be able to sneak in that amount of explosives all over the hospital, even within the bounds of realism in superhero movies. Mind you, I did also wonder where those motorcycles came from at the stock exchange in this one - bit weird but less so than the hospital explosion. The producers would be bonkers not to take the franchise forward, even if with a new cast and new director. Nolan has been deliberate in his approach to the franchise - he's used known villains but hasn't rushed to include all the iconic ones. He's seeded all sorts of plot threads for the future - even Barbara Gordon would be about 13 right now. A reboot at this stage would be very annoying! __________________ Star Trek/Babylon 5/Alien crossover www.youtube.com/user/pauln6 Other Worlds Role Playing Game http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/produc...ducts_id=97631

July 29 2012, 12:10 PM	#655
JarodRussell Vice Admiral	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Why ruin a perfectly good trilogy with a 4th film? The whole setup is gone. The next film would be John Blake vs. the Mob, with a little help from Fox when the Bat-Wing needs fuel.

July 29 2012, 03:52 PM	#659
sonak Rear Admiral Location: in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) a sequel would mar this trilogy. It has a nicely wrapped up conclusion to the arc, with the pieces where they should be.