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View Poll Results: How do you rate "The Dark Knight Rises"?
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Old July 26 2012, 09:35 PM   #556
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To continue, we do have fusion reactors that work. Lots of them.


This is genuinely surprising news to me. Where are they?
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Old July 26 2012, 10:14 PM   #557
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First of all, I think it's worth remembering that this is not necessarily supposed the be the exact Batman from the comics, so I think we should look at this from the perspective of the movies along.
And I don't think Bruce left because he thought Gotham didn't need him anymore. He left because he didn't need Gotham.
And it's pretty clear he didn't think things were that great in Gotham now, he did leave Blake in charge of the cave. I think if he really thought Gotham was going to be fine without a guardian he would have destroyed the cave, not left it active with a new person in control.
Well obviously he didn't end up being the Batman of the comics, but it still appeared in the first two movies that he was headed in that direction.
Not really. Firstly, Bruce makes it a point in BBegins to call Batman a symbol (and he returns to that idea in TDKR, telling Blake, "Batman is a symbol. He could be anyone. That's the whole point of Batman.")- that's a far cry from the preferred interpretation in the comics and animated series where Bruce thinks of himself as Batman first and everything else second. In Nolan's universe, he doesn't consider Batman anything but a tool to fulfill Bruce Wayne's goals.

Secondly, in The Dark Knight his entire goal is to protect Harvey Dent so that Gotham can have "a hero with a face", and he can hang up the cape and be with Rachel.

So he wasn't headed in the direction of being the Batman from the comics at all.

And it certainly seemed to be the intention that this would be the most faithful depiction of the character we've ever seen.
Faithful to what? Batman has had many interpretations over the years, and only a few of them have been the fully obsessed, I'll die before I take off the cape, I am the night Batman.

Nolan certainly picked up the tone of his universe from that interpretation, but his take on the character's goals has always been very different.

I get that this is supposed to be Batman's last story, and that's something I was really looking forward to seeing. I just don't buy that it would ever end up being this "happy and wonderful", or that he'd be so easily cured of his obsession with helping the innocent and avenging his parents' death.
Nolan's Batman is not doing this to avenge his parents' deaths. He wanted to murder Joe Chill to avenge their deaths and was denied that - he explains that to Ra's while in training. I could even argue that Nolan's Batman is not obsessed with helping the innocent - he's actually obsessed with death, first his parents', then Rachel's. What feels weird about TDKR is that his reaction to Rachel's death is the opposite of his reaction to his parents - their deaths spurred him to action, hers shut him down. It would have been more effective to explore that a little, indicate that he felt fully responsible for Rachel's death because his activity as Batman unleashed the insanity of the Joker, who had been merely a two-bit operator before. That he quit because he'd done the opposite of what he'd wanted to do - inspired death instead of hope. That theme skirts around the edges of TDKR, but is never developed.
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Old July 26 2012, 10:28 PM   #558
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I actually enjoyed this movie more than the last one. Here, I said it.

Sue me.
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Old July 26 2012, 10:42 PM   #559
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Well, I loved The Dark Knight but I really enjoyed Rises too. I'm not sure yet if it's better that TDK yet...I need to see it again to figure that out.

Anne Hathaway was great as Catwoman...
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Old July 26 2012, 11:09 PM   #560
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I've seen in twice now and the second time things seemed to draw on even longer. Likely cause I wasn't waiting for any reveals, hanging on every speech for a clue as to what happens next. The things that don't make any sense don't get any better.

I guess to wrap this up like Nolan wanted to do he had to circle back to League of Shadows. The LOS was never referenced in TDK which for me makes returning them a bit meh. It'll be like circling back to the Ten Rings when no mention was made in IM2, despite the implication they were there. Would it have been so tough to toss out a LOS reference in TDK?

That said I did like having a very faithful, near perfect adaptation of Bane (stupid breather mask aside) and his stories the past 20yrs come to the screen. Nice that Talia is also finally introduced to the masses from his Rogues gallery.
Yet, I'm saddened we never got a Riddler, Penguin, Black Mask or Croc showing in a Nolan film.

It's still a solid film, I'll own it but it's not a go to film. I can't say I enjoy them.
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Old July 26 2012, 11:23 PM   #561
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I guess to wrap this up like Nolan wanted to do he had to circle back to League of Shadows. The LOS was never referenced in TDK which for me makes returning them a bit meh. It'll be like circling back to the Ten Rings when no mention was made in IM2, despite the implication they were there. Would it have been so tough to toss out a LOS reference in TDK?
This was an issue for me as well. Aside from the bits with evil Harvey Dent, TDK may as well have not happened. TDKR was far more a direct sequel to Batman Begins; I feel like the whole Joker story may as well have not happened. While it is arguably the best of the series, TDK doesn't really fit in with the other two movies.
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Old July 27 2012, 12:20 AM   #562
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That said I did like having a very faithful, near perfect adaptation of Bane (stupid breather mask aside) and his stories the past 20yrs come to the screen.
It was definitely a good adaptation of the character... but I still don't know if Bane's really a worthy enough villain to be Batman's big, final opponent.

Beyond the physical thing I just didn't find him all that interesting here.
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Old July 27 2012, 12:21 AM   #563
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Yet, I'm saddened we never got a Riddler, Penguin, Black Mask or Croc showing in a Nolan film.
Croc? In na NOLAN film? You may as well throw in Mr. Freeze, while you're at it. Played by Arnold.
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Old July 27 2012, 12:29 AM   #564
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This was an issue for me as well. Aside from the bits with evil Harvey Dent, TDK may as well have not happened. TDKR was far more a direct sequel to Batman Begins; I feel like the whole Joker story may as well have not happened. .
Well, aside from Rachel dying . . . and Batman being blamed for Dent's murder . . .
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Old July 27 2012, 12:33 AM   #565
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This is genuinely surprising news to me. Where are they?
Nowhere. He probably thought of fission reactors.
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Old July 27 2012, 12:42 AM   #566
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This is genuinely surprising news to me. Where are they?
Nowhere. He probably thought of fission reactors.
Fusion reactors exist. They're just not very useful. Up until now, they've all consumed more energy than they've produced.
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Old July 27 2012, 12:47 AM   #567
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I guess to wrap this up like Nolan wanted to do he had to circle back to League of Shadows. The LOS was never referenced in TDK which for me makes returning them a bit meh. It'll be like circling back to the Ten Rings when no mention was made in IM2, despite the implication they were there. Would it have been so tough to toss out a LOS reference in TDK?
This was an issue for me as well. Aside from the bits with evil Harvey Dent, TDK may as well have not happened. TDKR was far more a direct sequel to Batman Begins; I feel like the whole Joker story may as well have not happened. While it is arguably the best of the series, TDK doesn't really fit in with the other two movies.
But Joker's big plan involved breaking Harvey Dent. Joker's story is integral.
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Old July 27 2012, 12:54 AM   #568
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I still think of "Bruce dies" at the Occam's Razor ending. It's the simplest solution to what's seen on screen. You don't have to invent a scenario to explain how Bruce escapes the explosion that doesn't make the narrative as shown a lie.
It's a movie. The reality of physics doesn't matter. He survived by bailing out, and it's not really important how or if that would be possible in the real world (since plenty of other things that happen in this movie series are similarly impossible).
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Old July 27 2012, 12:55 AM   #569
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I guess to wrap this up like Nolan wanted to do he had to circle back to League of Shadows. The LOS was never referenced in TDK which for me makes returning them a bit meh. It'll be like circling back to the Ten Rings when no mention was made in IM2, despite the implication they were there. Would it have been so tough to toss out a LOS reference in TDK?
This was an issue for me as well. Aside from the bits with evil Harvey Dent, TDK may as well have not happened. TDKR was far more a direct sequel to Batman Begins; I feel like the whole Joker story may as well have not happened. While it is arguably the best of the series, TDK doesn't really fit in with the other two movies.
But Joker's big plan involved breaking Harvey Dent. Joker's story is integral.
Funny how the Joker tried to kill Dent after he admitted to being Batman.
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Fusion reactors exist. They're just not very useful. Up until now, they've all consumed more energy than they've produced.
Let's just call them fusion test devices. They're still a long shot from a working reactor that can sustain fusion reactions for more than a second.
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