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Old July 25 2012, 03:29 PM   #61
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Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread

I guess there were no quality control checks before the sets were mass produced.


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Old July 25 2012, 03:31 PM   #62
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There's audio problems with the Star Trek TOS Blu-rays. Why don't they fix them too while they're at it with this set?
Really???? I have watched them a couple of times, never noticed


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Old July 25 2012, 03:46 PM   #63
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I highly doubt these review sites went through all 26 episodes plus all the bonus materials scrutinizing every detail as we fans are in the process of doing. This is their job and they wont spend the better part of a week (8 hours per day, ~26 hours of material) on a single review that may earn the a few dollars in ad revenue. I can't say I blame them for missing the details since the major issues are in EaF and then mixed sporadically throughout the season.
Then they should've put a disclaimer at the beginning of their reviews stating they didn't actually watch the set. They damage their credibility by just parroting talking points from CBS.
I didn't say they just repeated the press release, I'm sure they did watch parts of the show, but it's just not feasible that they would watch an entire season of a tv show for a review of a show that's been out 25 years. All they needed was to watch a sample to review the updates and enhancements. Given that these problems are only in a handful of episodes, it's quite possible they just didn't encounter them.
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Old July 25 2012, 03:48 PM   #64
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Handful= 7 episodes? 3 discs will need replacing.
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Old July 25 2012, 03:52 PM   #65
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I highly doubt these review sites went through all 26 episodes plus all the bonus materials scrutinizing every detail as we fans are in the process of doing. This is their job and they wont spend the better part of a week (8 hours per day, ~26 hours of material) on a single review that may earn the a few dollars in ad revenue. I can't say I blame them for missing the details since the major issues are in EaF and then mixed sporadically throughout the season.
Then they should've put a disclaimer at the beginning of their reviews stating they didn't actually watch the set. They damage their credibility by just parroting talking points from CBS.
I didn't say they just repeated the press release, I'm sure they did watch parts of the show, but it's just not feasible that they would watch an entire season of a tv show for a review of a show that's been out 25 years. All they needed was to watch a sample to review the updates and enhancements. Given that these problems are only in a handful of episodes, it's quite possible they just didn't encounter them.
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Having now seen six complete episodes of the first season (and sampled the rest), everything I said before still stands.

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The issues with Haven are right at the beginning of the episode and are impossible to miss.
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Old July 25 2012, 04:06 PM   #66
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Handful= 7 episodes? 3 discs will need replacing.
Yes, a handful is normally defined as a small quantity, more than a few but less than several, usually between 5-8, when not discussing a more specific measurement (such as a handful of peanuts).


Haven could simply be one they didn't watch, it is one of the weaker episodes of the season.

I'm not justifying that this slipped through, merely trying to point out that it's not completely unreasonable given the large amount of material they were provided with and the need to post reviews quickly for them to make money off ads. Not as many people will read a given review if another site has had one posted for a week and a majority of the audience has already gotten the information they require.
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Old July 25 2012, 04:07 PM   #67
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The issues with Haven are right at the beginning of the episode and are impossible to miss.
What are you hearing, specifically? I don't hear a problem (an echo) until about 27:27 into the episode... when Troi meets Riker on the holodeck. You're watching on a 7.1 system, correct?
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Old July 25 2012, 04:09 PM   #68
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Audio on Haven is totally screwed-up, first two minutes everyone sounds like they're talking through a tin can.

EDIT: Apologies for the triple-post, just putting them out there as I'm watching the episodes.

In the same episode the audio in the holodeck scene between Riker and Troi seems to be pitched to high.

The audio in Haven is just a mess.
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The issues with Haven are right at the beginning of the episode and are impossible to miss.
What are you hearing, specifically? I don't hear a problem (an echo) until about 27:27 into the episode... when Troi meets Riker on the holodeck. You're watching on a 7.1 system, correct?
I'm actually watching upstairs on my 32" with the stereo track.
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Old July 25 2012, 04:11 PM   #69
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I'm not watching the set in order, just skipping around to watch my favorites. I just finished watching "11001001" and the audio sounds.... tinny? Just.... off. It's pretty much throughout the entire episode.
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Old July 25 2012, 04:14 PM   #70
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The issues with Haven are right at the beginning of the episode and are impossible to miss.
What are you hearing, specifically? I don't hear a problem (an echo) until about 27:27 into the episode... when Troi meets Riker on the holodeck. You're watching on a 7.1 system, correct?
When I switch back to the 7.1 track it makes it worse. Audio effects are fine, just the voices sound like there coming through a tin can.
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Old July 25 2012, 04:21 PM   #71
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The issues with Haven are right at the beginning of the episode and are impossible to miss.
What are you hearing, specifically? I don't hear a problem (an echo) until about 27:27 into the episode... when Troi meets Riker on the holodeck. You're watching on a 7.1 system, correct?
When I switch back to the 7.1 track it makes it worse. Audio effects are fine, just the voices sound like there coming through a tin can.
Hmm... must be an artifact of watching it downmixed to 2.0 on your 32". The duplicated dialogue on the left and right channels doesn't adversely affect the episode for me until the scene I mentioned. I'm pretty sure if they get rid of the dialogue on those tracks (on each affected episode), everything will go back to normal for everyone -- on the 7.1 mixes, anyway.
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Old July 25 2012, 04:33 PM   #72
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So, the stereo mixes should be okay?

I don't have a surround sound setup, nor am I likely to for the forseeable future. Still, this issue is concerning.
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Old July 25 2012, 04:44 PM   #73
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So, the stereo mixes should be okay?

I don't have a surround sound setup, nor am I likely to for the forseeable future. Still, this issue is concerning.
It has fewer problems. It's out of sync on "Farpoint", though... according to some -- haven't had the time to check myself.
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Old July 25 2012, 05:02 PM   #74
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I don't have a super fancy 7.1 system or anything, but I did watch a bit of Farpoint again and noticed Picard's captain's log entries were for some reason really echoey and concentrated only in the front, which was odd and which I don't remember from the sampler.

But the rest of the dialogue sounded fine to me.

The Naked Now looked and sounded great though. I thought I was used to the HD picture already, but the way these colors pop off the screen still completely blows my mind. After all these years, it's just SO damn weird to see the show and characters in such sharp detail.

The fact it looks like it was shot yesterday... but still has the cheesy storytelling and dated hairstyles of the 80s, is just very odd and is going to take some getting used to, I think.


BTW, whatever happened to that goofy asian engineer Shimodo? He would have been fun to keep around!
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Old July 25 2012, 05:13 PM   #75
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BTW, whatever happened to that goofy asian engineer Shimodo? He would have been fun to keep around!
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