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Old July 24 2012, 10:59 PM   #2356
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Re: Cast the Characters of Trek Literature

More to the point, was Patrick Stewart the right choice to play a Frenchman? Was the Montreal native William Shatner the right choice to play a starship captain from Iowa? I'd say that the both establish that accents in the future don't always pin down to countries that we, in the present, understand that they come from.

To contrast, if Berengaria was a colony planet (and Vaughn wasn't born long enough after the colonys establishment for a colonial accent to necessarily develop) then it's perfectly possible that Vaughn's parents (and extended family) came from Scotland and he inherited their accent, despite classifying himself as Berengarian fr example.
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Old July 24 2012, 11:44 PM   #2357
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I came to like Boxleitner a lot from his work on B5. But personally I've always seen and heard Burt Reynold's as Vaughn.
I couldn't see that at all.
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Old July 24 2012, 11:48 PM   #2358
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More to the point, was Patrick Stewart the right choice to play a Frenchman? Was the Montreal native William Shatner the right choice to play a starship captain from Iowa? I'd say that the both establish that accents in the future don't always pin down to countries that we, in the present, understand that they come from.

To contrast, if Berengaria was a colony planet (and Vaughn wasn't born long enough after the colonys establishment for a colonial accent to necessarily develop) then it's perfectly possible that Vaughn's parents (and extended family) came from Scotland and he inherited their accent, despite classifying himself as Berengarian fr example.
Right. In the novels, I've described Jasminder Choudhury as having a "Denevan accent." In my mind I hear her as having a South Asian accent, but what's actually there in the text could mean anything, and implies an accent not quite like anything from Earth.

And as for Earth natives like Picard, the multicultural, integrated nature of 24th-century Earth society means there's no reason to assume a simple correspondence of accent to nation of origin. Heck, in high school I knew a girl who was born and raised in New England -- maybe New Hampshire, I don't quite remember -- but had a lovely, posh English accent because she was raised by an English nanny. Such thing can happen in the melting pot that is America, and 24th-century Federation-capital Earth is surely even more of a melting pot (even though it generally seems to be overwhelmingly Euro-American onscreen).
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Old July 25 2012, 12:36 AM   #2359
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I came to like Boxleitner a lot from his work on B5. But personally I've always seen and heard Burt Reynold's as Vaughn.
I couldn't see that at all.


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Old July 25 2012, 12:43 AM   #2360
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I can't see it either. Sure, there's a physical resemblance in those photos, but personality-wise, I don't see it. My image of Burt Reynolds was formed in the '70s.
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Old July 25 2012, 12:46 AM   #2361
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Well, sure he looks like him, but I just don't see him as the Vaughn type.
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Old July 25 2012, 01:23 AM   #2362
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I can't see it either. Sure, there's a physical resemblance in those photos, but personality-wise, I don't see it. My image of Burt Reynolds was formed in the '70s.
I kind of had my image broken by lack of presence and then reset by his reappearance starting in the mid to late 90's.

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Well, sure he looks like him, but I just don't see him as the Vaughn type.
If you have not seen either Boogie Nights or Mystery Alaska I'd recommend giving them a look. They both informed my casting of Reynold's as Vaughn especially the latter movie.
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Old July 25 2012, 02:04 AM   #2363
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I've seen Boogie Nights.
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Old July 25 2012, 03:06 AM   #2364
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I've seen Boogie Nights.
Well like I said it was that and Mystery Alaska that really influenced me. In his later work from that Boogie period forward his voice seems to have deepened considerably and it tends to lend him a greater gravity. Whoever would be cast as Vaughn I think would have to have a fairly deep voice. On many levels Sean Connery isn't a terrible choice but the man seems in rl to be such an asshat that personally I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Trek project. My first runner up is probably James Brolin.
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Old July 25 2012, 03:53 AM   #2365
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I've got to admit, when I hear people debating whether Elias Vaughn should be played by Sean Connery or Burt Reynolds, all I can picture is this:



versus this:

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Old July 28 2012, 07:43 PM   #2366
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I came to like Boxleitner a lot from his work on B5. But personally I've always seen and heard Burt Reynold's as Vaughn.
Think of Burt Reynold's from Cannonball Run and Cannonball Run II and you'll soon see it's not a good fit (IMHO).

Have a look at this image of Boxleitner and you'll see he fits as Vaughn very well.

http://mutantreviewers.files.wordpre.../sheridan4.jpg
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Old July 28 2012, 08:34 PM   #2367
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^ You may as well say 'take a look at Boxleitner in those Gambler movies he did with Kenny Rogers' and say he's not suitable. There's more to Burt than his good ol' boy persona from the likes of Cannonball Run.
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Old July 29 2012, 01:35 AM   #2368
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I came to like Boxleitner a lot from his work on B5. But personally I've always seen and heard Burt Reynold's as Vaughn.
Think of Burt Reynold's from Cannonball Run and Cannonball Run II and you'll soon see it's not a good fit (IMHO).

Have a look at this image of Boxleitner and you'll see he fits as Vaughn very well.

http://mutantreviewers.files.wordpre.../sheridan4.jpg
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^ You may as well say 'take a look at Boxleitner in those Gambler movies he did with Kenny Rogers' and say he's not suitable. There's more to Burt than his good ol' boy persona from the likes of Cannonball Run.
I agree with you Captain, but at the same time I can understand where Jwolf is coming from. There are some actors who get stuck in your mind in a certain way and nothing else they do will ever erase that image.
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Old July 29 2012, 04:49 PM   #2369
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^ I know what you mean.

FWIW, I don't see Burt as Vaughn either but I think he's a better actor than he gets credit for. I love him in Deliverance, for one.
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Old July 29 2012, 07:26 PM   #2370
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Any suggestions for the new DS9 crew?
I was thinking Shemar Moore for Chief Blackmer and maybe Sean Patrick Flanery(maybe a little old now though)for Stinson.
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