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View Poll Results: Rate Raise the Dawn.
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Old July 23 2012, 02:54 AM   #301
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I have to say that this was one the the best Star trek eBooks I've read in a long time since S&S switched to ePub from MS Reader. It had hardly any errors and was formatted pretty well.
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Old July 23 2012, 07:39 PM   #302
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This might have been raised before, and I might have read this wrong - but in the scene in which Bacco reacts to the destruction of DS9, the set-up of the scene describes Bacco, her Chief of Staff, two members of her cabinet, Akaar and another Starfleet Admiral.

Now Bacco, Piniero, Akaar and Nechayev are there - but there are three members of the cabinet present: Safranski, Jas Abrik and Raisa Shostakova. Did I miss one of the characters entering - or is this an editing error?

Again, apologies if this has been raised.
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Old July 23 2012, 08:25 PM   #303
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I'm glad so many of the charcters have returned.
I lke how Nog and O'Brien are working together again.I'd like to see more of Bashir&O'Brien's friendship shown in the next book.
I think the more important question in that is
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Old July 23 2012, 08:43 PM   #304
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The Dominion isn't without Founders. Odo was taking the lead but he wasn't the only one. He had gotten others to return. We know Laas is around. I worry what the Dominion does if Laas becomes the new leader.
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Old July 23 2012, 11:27 PM   #305
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^Wasn't Laas kidnapped? ...or am I remembering that wrong?
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Old July 23 2012, 11:35 PM   #306
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^Wasn't Laas kidnapped? ...or am I remembering that wrong?
Didn't they let him go ?
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Old July 24 2012, 12:03 AM   #307
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Laas was indeed released from Typhon Pact custody. And Odo said that a small number of Founders have returned to the Dominion in the years since the Great Link dissolved itself.
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Old July 24 2012, 10:23 PM   #308
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Man, that was a great ending. The last 100 page weres wonderful, I ready them tonight. I'm sad to see


And the handling of Kira seemed to be


I never cared much about all those new characters so I'm happy that half the crew is back. And I'm surprised that I didn't mind the
of DS9 - it's just a space station after all.
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Old July 24 2012, 11:25 PM   #309
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It does seem a shame that Odo's been removed from the Dominion; from what we saw in these books, he had been making true progress there, even if it wasn't on the scale he might have wanted. Perhaps the very fact that he's switched his focus from changing things wholescale to just encouraging a sense of community where he can demonstrates that one person can't be too important in the grand scheme of things, and life will continue on without him just fine. Still, it's undeniable that Odo is overwhelmingly the source of, and the driving force behind, any new perspectives that have seeped into the Dominion over the last eight years. Now that the Dominion is in isolationist mode, I hope it has enough "philosophical essence of Odo" to keep working changes, and absent the fresh injection of outside ideas won't just "shrug the effects off" and fall back into the old patterns it had just started to subtly move away from. I wonder to what extent Odo's ideas have rubbed off on the 27 other changelings who returned? I would say "I'm sure they'll keep to the isolationist policy, because Founders are like that" but given that these were the ones who returned, it might be that they're the ones particularly driven to seek out connections with others, so maybe they'll turn the Dominion's eyes outward again. Either way, I hope Odo's removal doesn't cause the subtle process of change to wind down.

The idea of a primarily Laas-influenced Dominion is rather alarming, I think; not because I think he'll attack anyone but because he'll get so frustrated he'll probably leave in disgust and go be a rock somewhere. When the Vorta run to him and start telling him that "solid race so and so is in dispute with solid race whatsit" or "production of monoform thing #36 is down", he'll just get angry and unhelpful. The Vorta would end up having to work things out for themselves anyway. It's not good when your society depends on Word From On High and that Word is "I hate all of you and can barely tolerate your existance".

That said, since the Founders are very hands-off anyway, I imagine the Dominion could continue ticking over for quite some time without any Founders at all. It would, I think, mean an increasingly desperate and panicky awareness among the lead Vorta that they don't know what to do, but I guess it would take some time for problems to pile up to the point that Dominion society starts to notice, or things are no longer running smoothly.

Basically, this is my rambling way of saying "I hope we revisit the Dominion again".
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Old July 25 2012, 04:22 PM   #310
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Finished. Thought it was awesome, voted outstanding
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Old July 29 2012, 08:06 PM   #311
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I've just skimmed through this thread but can anyone tell me where Spock disappeared to between books?And had Spock simply mind-probed the captured Tomalek,wouldn't that have spared a lot of to-ing and fro-ing?
(And please,don't give me any guff about Spock being reluctant to use his gifts that way...ST6 puts the lie to that).
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Old July 29 2012, 08:58 PM   #312
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The book really doesn't mention what has happened to spock it's kind of a mystery where he is after Plaugue of night he doesn't really appear in this book.Maybe Spock will be mentioned in one of the other upcoming Typhon pact books.
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Old July 29 2012, 08:58 PM   #313
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I've just skimmed through this thread but can anyone tell me where Spock disappeared to between books?And had Spock simply mind-probed the captured Tomalek,wouldn't that have spared a lot of to-ing and fro-ing?
(And please,don't give me any guff about Spock being reluctant to use his gifts that way...ST6 puts the lie to that).
Just because he did it in STVI, doesn't mean he does it all the time. It was mind-rape.
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Old July 29 2012, 08:59 PM   #314
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I've just skimmed through this thread but can anyone tell me where Spock disappeared to between books?And had Spock simply mind-probed the captured Tomalek,wouldn't that have spared a lot of to-ing and fro-ing?
(And please,don't give me any guff about Spock being reluctant to use his gifts that way...ST6 puts the lie to that).

Spock was appaled doing what he did in ST6. It was something he considered to be one of the worst things he ever had to do. So he would not just do it again, as if it's the most normal thing in the world.
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Old July 29 2012, 10:07 PM   #315
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I've just skimmed through this thread but can anyone tell me where Spock disappeared to between books?
We know he was aboard the Enterprise when she returned from the Gamma Quadrant into the middle of the Federation/Typhon Pact firefight. Beyond that, he ceased to be a relevant player in the story, and we don't know his fate. I would presume that, the joint Federation-Romulan mission having ended, he would have transferred off at Bajor and returned to Earth, Vulcan, or Romulus.

And had Spock simply mind-probed the captured Tomalek,wouldn't that have spared a lot of to-ing and fro-ing?
(And please,don't give me any guff about Spock being reluctant to use his gifts that way...ST6 puts the lie to that).
James Swallow's 2011 novel Cast No Shadow covers the question of what Spock did to Valeris in Star Trek VI. Suffice it to say that it's not something he'd do again.

Also, your question could just as easily be asked of any telepathic individual in the Federation. That the Federation Security Agency did not simply have another Vulcan, or a Betazoid, or an Ullian, or any other telepathic Federate, probe Tomalak's mind, strongly implies that such things are by the 24th Century considered a violation of Federation law.
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