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Old July 18 2012, 08:27 PM   #31
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Re: Orci says ST series talk "getting real"

I'm sure you could get a new live action series for under 3 million, the biggest factor is your payroll (specifically the cast) and what CGI house is used (though CBS has their own). Sets are another big consideration, how much physical vs virtual. Also I would only do 13 episode seasons (13 x 3 mil = 39 mill), unless the show is a hit and warrants more episodes.

Star Trek does not really belong being broadcast on CBS given there current model, however, consider that CBS is winding down there CSI an NCIS franchises so they may have room to try some different things.

Lastly, also consider that Star Trek is popular internationaly, so CBS can offset a lot of costs by licensing 'second run' options to various foreign networks, these tactics have helped BSG and Doctor Who. Germany alone has a huge fan base. Star Trek has a huge advantage here vs. any other show, CBS would be smart to work on that angle to offset costs.

A Star Trek series can work, the next movie will be a test of continued popularity. Reminds a little of how the success of Star Trek 4 helped get TNG going.
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Old July 18 2012, 09:38 PM   #32
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Even though CBS owns Trek, the odds of a Trek series actually airing on CBS is about zero. Aside from the decades-long argument that science-fiction (in particular, spaceship-based) is too expensive and too difficult to produce, Trek is just one of many properties CBS acquired from what was formerly Paramount Television. You're more likely to see a revival of something cheaper and easier to produce like The Beverly Hillbillies or Laverne & Shirley on CBS rather than a Star Trek series.
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Old July 19 2012, 01:38 AM   #33
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The argument that CBS has to approve a series doesnt really matter one bit, as we've seen all it takes is some of the movie's "people" talking to the "tv people". It's pretty simple..once there is an opening, it'll take what I've claimed before..."known" producers selling the show to the studio, and with a second ST movie as likely success, they won't need much convincing...

I predicted a series after 3 JJ movies, but hey, looks like it could be after 2.
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Old July 19 2012, 02:41 AM   #34
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The argument that CBS has to approve a series doesnt really matter one bit...
Actually, it's the only thing that matters. Abrams himself can pitch a new Star Trek series, but if CBS isn't interested in doing one, then it's not going anywhere.
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Old July 19 2012, 02:49 AM   #35
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CBS's audience simply isn't the sci if crowd and of all the broadcast nets, it has the highest ratings and therefore highest standards for a new show to have to achieve. I don't want Star Trek to be doomed from the start by airing on CBS, where the audience isn't interested and it needs 11 million just to keep from being cancelled.

And that's assuming it makes its way through the pilot process. This past year, CBS only picked up what, two drama? NBC and ABC picked up many more. CBS's eternally successful lineup makes it harder for any series to get a green light there.
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I predicted a series after 3 JJ movies, but hey, looks like it could be after 2.
If the wheels started shortly after the BO for the second movie comes in strong, then the show might not even be ready to go till the third movie premieres, assuming they don't have another inordinately long wait. Two years is more sensible.
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Old July 19 2012, 02:54 AM   #36
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CBS's audience simply isn't the sci if crowd and of all the broadcast nets, it has the highest ratings and therefore highest standards for a new show to have to achieve. I don't want Star Trek to be doomed from the start by airing on CBS, where the audience isn't interested and it needs 11 million just to keep from being cancelled.

And that's assuming it makes its way through the pilot process. This past year, CBS only picked up what, two drama? NBC and ABC olivier up many more. CBS's eternally successful lineup makes it harder for any series to get a green light there.

For this to work, CBS must be convinced that the series would be a good fit elsewhere, in house or not, and that there is still plenty of money to be made.
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Old July 19 2012, 03:18 AM   #37
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Frankenstein brand new iPad does weird things.

Like that! I said frakken not Frankenstein.
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Old July 19 2012, 03:23 AM   #38
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Frankenstein brand new iPad does weird things.

Like that! I said frakken not Frankenstein.
The iPad autocorrect does some weird things, I know from experience.
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Old July 19 2012, 03:26 AM   #39
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I maybe mistaken...

But don't most of these guys have development deals with various networks? None being CBS?

Would they even be allowed to develop/run shows for companies outside those contracts?

Lindelof has a deal with Warner Bros. TV.

Orci/Kurtzman are still under a development deal with Fox, but that expires in roughly a year.

Edit: According to this site, they just extended it another three years.

http://io9.com/5463506/orci-and-kurt...ar-fox-tv-deal

Funny thing though, in the TrekMovie interview Orci seems to say that he thinks an animated series is the best way to go...


TrekMovie.com: But do you agree with me that an animated series is…

Roberto Orci: Yes. It is less cannibalizing. I would like to see an animated series the most. When I think about it, it is the most different than what we are doing and still in the most in line with it. So I would like to see an animated series.
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Old July 19 2012, 05:12 AM   #40
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CBS's audience simply isn't the sci if crowd and of all the broadcast nets, it has the highest ratings and therefore highest standards for a new show to have to achieve. I don't want Star Trek to be doomed from the start by airing on CBS, where the audience isn't interested and it needs 11 million just to keep from being cancelled.

And that's assuming it makes its way through the pilot process. This past year, CBS only picked up what, two drama? NBC and ABC picked up many more. CBS's eternally successful lineup makes it harder for any series to get a green light there.
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I predicted a series after 3 JJ movies, but hey, looks like it could be after 2.
If the wheels started shortly after the BO for the second movie comes in strong, then the show might not even be ready to go till the third movie premieres, assuming they don't have another inordinately long wait. Two years is more sensible.

Well "after 2" covers a lot of territory...the movie comes out in 2013, then we wouldnt expect one for about 3 years, so we're talking 2014-2016 for a new show.
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Old July 19 2012, 05:13 AM   #41
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I maybe mistaken...

But don't most of these guys have development deals with various networks? None being CBS?

Would they even be allowed to develop/run shows for companies outside those contracts?

Lindelof has a deal with Warner Bros. TV.

Orci/Kurtzman are still under a development deal with Fox, but that expires in roughly a year.

Edit: According to this site, they just extended it another three years.

http://io9.com/5463506/orci-and-kurt...ar-fox-tv-deal

Funny thing though, in the TrekMovie interview Orci seems to say that he thinks an animated series is the best way to go...


TrekMovie.com: But do you agree with me that an animated series is…

Roberto Orci: Yes. It is less cannibalizing. I would like to see an animated series the most. When I think about it, it is the most different than what we are doing and still in the most in line with it. So I would like to see an animated series.
I'm not against an animated series...some of the best SF on tv right now is animated.

If I had MY choice, I'd air the ST show on a niche cable network OR preferably as an original series on Netflix or Hulu, or a suitable studio alternative. Even a high profile webcast would be welcome...I watch all my tv streaming already so I could care less as long as the studio gave them a decent budget.
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Old July 20 2012, 04:20 PM   #42
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Can't decide whether Orci is a douche or Anthony Pascal is seriously annoying him with his questions.
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Old July 21 2012, 02:17 AM   #43
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Can't decide whether Orci is a douche or Anthony Pascal is seriously annoying him with his questions.
Probably a little from column A and a little from column B.
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Old July 21 2012, 03:31 PM   #44
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Can't decide whether Orci is a douche or Anthony Pascal is seriously annoying him with his questions.
You and I would be a douche too if someone was seriously annoying you with questions.
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