DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) - Page 317

Nerys Myk · July 16 2012, 02:31 PM

Derishton wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

Admiral_Young wrote:

I guess. This will be another contradiction though, as Allyn stated we've already a year of 52'Verse comics that state that Tim was a Robin, so already they're retconning which is why we're making such childish complaints

So they changed their mind. No big deal really. Comics have always been "works in progress". Sort of like Star Trek.

It's pure semantics - Batman and Robin 10 had all the Robins arguing about who was the best Robin. Nobody took the time to put a note beside Tim's title.

The word Robin is still in his code name. His costume has Robin elements. Its not like he was called Nightwing from day one.

Derishton · July 16 2012, 02:41 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

Derishton wrote:

It's pure semantics - Batman and Robin 10 had all the Robins arguing about who was the best Robin. Nobody took the time to put a note beside Tim's title.

The word Robin is still in his code name. His costume has Robin elements. Its not like he was called Nightwing from day one.

Exactly (although are we talking about Grayson now?) The whole feels like a very odd "reveal."

Admiral_Young · July 16 2012, 02:51 PM

Semantics it might be, but as I pointed out the first time, there was a specific STORY reason why Tim chose the name Red Robin. If you go back to the past and change it so that he has always been Red Robin then you negate that original story reason IMO. Anyway. I've made my views plain already on the matter. As Nerys Myk rightly pointed out we'll find out exactly what they do when the issue comes out. I haven't exactly liked all the Court of Owls changes, but it has been Scott Snyder's writing that has made "Batman" so compelling. So it could be the case for this...although it's Scott Lobdell too so I dunno. LOL

Derishton · July 16 2012, 03:24 PM

We've known for awhile that Tim's origin would be changing, haven't we? The addition of his Olympic training a couple of months ago already implied other changes were coming. My guess is that he is in the Robin Training Program when Damian shows up, and he's passed over or something. It would at least help fix the timeline.

I'm disappointed there won't be a Robins book. That had huge potential.

Admiral_Young · July 16 2012, 03:32 PM

Yeah that's the thing I'm most disappointed about more than the changes. I was really excited for a Robins book and thought that their little confrontations and "fights" were some kind of a potential set up for the thing, but I guess that wasn't the case. Hell I still want a Damian Wayne solo "Robin" series. I doubt that will ever happen, but I think it's time. He's been entrenched in the mythos for long enough now and established himself as a strong character since he was first introduced that I think he could support a solo series now. Unless of course Morrison has plans for him in his grand finale.

Mike Farley · July 16 2012, 04:07 PM

This reconn-y stuff seems to happen a lot over in the Lobdell corner. He originally said Superboy's past was intact, and the new book would be 6 months later after Conner had been missing. He also said, IIRC, that the previous versions of the Teen Titans were still in continuity.

Admiral_Young · July 16 2012, 04:10 PM

Yeah he said the thing about the previous Teen Titans last year at SDCC or NYCC I believe. Is that not the case any more? "Superboy" I dropped because the NoWhere arc just seemed to be dragging on and not resolved.

Mike Farley · July 16 2012, 04:15 PM

From what i can tell, the implication is that the current group is the first Titans--especially since Wally and Donna don't appear to exist anymore.

I dropped Superboy after the first, terrible, issue. Titans, I don't know if I've dropped it, but I haven't picked up an issue since The Culling.

Derishton · July 16 2012, 06:15 PM

Teen Titans were in the same category as JLI, as far as I was concerned. Good luck to anyone who wanted to build it from the ground up, but I saw them both the first time and they were great. Both depended to such an extent on the continuity, in ways that other DC properties don't.

Captain Craig · July 16 2012, 09:06 PM

Allyn Gibson wrote:

Given the latest news out of San Diego -- Tim Drake was never Robin (despite a year of comics that have stated the opposite) -- childish complaints aren't always so childish.

This news may explain why Jeff Lemire's Robins book is MIA. It doesn't explain why Tim Drake has been referred to as a Robin, especially by Damian in recent issues of Batman and Robin.

Wait---WHAT.
BULLSHIT.
Example #32 on why this nu52 compressed timeline isn't feasible nor desirable.

Snaploud · July 16 2012, 10:11 PM

They should have just extended Batman's career by 5-10 years but have him working mostly from the shadows. He's obviously more competent than all the other superheroes by the time the JLA is formed, and Green Lantern seemed to think he was an urban legend in JLA #1.

Admiral_Young · July 17 2012, 05:58 PM

Greg Capullo has a warning regarding Joker's new look, and talks about "Batman #0".

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/greg...he-family.html

Derishton · July 17 2012, 06:05 PM

Well, that's a relief. They've been trying to make the Joker work as a character for decades with no success. I'm sure a new look will help! Is that lipstick he's putting on? Ooooo, metasexual - watch out, Heartland!

Professor Zoom · July 17 2012, 06:07 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Greg Capullo has a warning regarding Joker's new look, and talks about "Batman #0".

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/greg...he-family.html

Sigh. I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand, I'm intrigued, and I like the idea of a scarier Joker, on the OTHER hand, I can't give this book to my (impending) son. (True, it won't be able to read for a long, long time... but still.)

I guess my point is: DC has fewer and fewer books for kids to read. It used to be all ages... but then... kids aren't interested in comics anyway...

Derishton · July 17 2012, 06:09 PM

I think they've been running scary Joker into the ground. I was enjoying the way Morrison had brought back a turn-on-a-dime Joker who was the sanest man in the room. This looks like a swerve towards the Ledger/Azarello Joker: Ledger was great in the movie, but Azarello's riff on him left me cold.

July 16 2012, 02:51 PM	#4743
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Semantics it might be, but as I pointed out the first time, there was a specific STORY reason why Tim chose the name Red Robin. If you go back to the past and change it so that he has always been Red Robin then you negate that original story reason IMO. Anyway. I've made my views plain already on the matter. As Nerys Myk rightly pointed out we'll find out exactly what they do when the issue comes out. I haven't exactly liked all the Court of Owls changes, but it has been Scott Snyder's writing that has made "Batman" so compelling. So it could be the case for this...although it's Scott Lobdell too so I dunno. LOL __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 16 2012, 03:24 PM	#4744
Derishton Vice Admiral Location: Nova Scotia (Derishton)	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) We've known for awhile that Tim's origin would be changing, haven't we? The addition of his Olympic training a couple of months ago already implied other changes were coming. My guess is that he is in the Robin Training Program when Damian shows up, and he's passed over or something. It would at least help fix the timeline. I'm disappointed there won't be a Robins book. That had huge potential. __________________ I want to be sedated.

July 16 2012, 03:32 PM	#4745
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Yeah that's the thing I'm most disappointed about more than the changes. I was really excited for a Robins book and thought that their little confrontations and "fights" were some kind of a potential set up for the thing, but I guess that wasn't the case. Hell I still want a Damian Wayne solo "Robin" series. I doubt that will ever happen, but I think it's time. He's been entrenched in the mythos for long enough now and established himself as a strong character since he was first introduced that I think he could support a solo series now. Unless of course Morrison has plans for him in his grand finale. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 16 2012, 04:07 PM	#4746
Mike Farley Commodore Location: Lost Vegas	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) This reconn-y stuff seems to happen a lot over in the Lobdell corner. He originally said Superboy's past was intact, and the new book would be 6 months later after Conner had been missing. He also said, IIRC, that the previous versions of the Teen Titans were still in continuity.

July 16 2012, 04:10 PM	#4747
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Yeah he said the thing about the previous Teen Titans last year at SDCC or NYCC I believe. Is that not the case any more? "Superboy" I dropped because the NoWhere arc just seemed to be dragging on and not resolved. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

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July 16 2012, 04:15 PM	#4748
Mike Farley Commodore Location: Lost Vegas	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) From what i can tell, the implication is that the current group is the first Titans--especially since Wally and Donna don't appear to exist anymore. I dropped Superboy after the first, terrible, issue. Titans, I don't know if I've dropped it, but I haven't picked up an issue since The Culling.

July 16 2012, 06:15 PM	#4749
Derishton Vice Admiral Location: Nova Scotia (Derishton)	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Teen Titans were in the same category as JLI, as far as I was concerned. Good luck to anyone who wanted to build it from the ground up, but I saw them both the first time and they were great. Both depended to such an extent on the continuity, in ways that other DC properties don't. __________________ I want to be sedated.

July 16 2012, 10:11 PM	#4751
Snaploud Admiral Location: Massachusetts, USA	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) They should have just extended Batman's career by 5-10 years but have him working mostly from the shadows. He's obviously more competent than all the other superheroes by the time the JLA is formed, and Green Lantern seemed to think he was an urban legend in JLA #1.

July 17 2012, 05:58 PM	#4752
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Greg Capullo has a warning regarding Joker's new look, and talks about "Batman #0". http://www.newsarama.com/comics/greg...he-family.html __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 17 2012, 06:05 PM	#4753
Derishton Vice Admiral Location: Nova Scotia (Derishton)	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Well, that's a relief. They've been trying to make the Joker work as a character for decades with no success. I'm sure a new look will help! Is that lipstick he's putting on? Ooooo, metasexual - watch out, Heartland! __________________ I want to be sedated.

July 17 2012, 06:09 PM	#4755
Derishton Vice Admiral Location: Nova Scotia (Derishton)	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) I think they've been running scary Joker into the ground. I was enjoying the way Morrison had brought back a turn-on-a-dime Joker who was the sanest man in the room. This looks like a swerve towards the Ledger/Azarello Joker: Ledger was great in the movie, but Azarello's riff on him left me cold. __________________ I want to be sedated.