Urban outs the villain. Maybe.

[Saul]

Mach5 wrote:

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It may not technically be a "remake", but they are revisiting something that's already been done.

Well Star Trek itself has already been done too.

[Mach5]

BillJ wrote:

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Wait a minute...

You have a problem with them using Khan who we haven't seen on screen in thirty years, but have no problems with Klingons and Romulans being in it? Those two have been used over and over and over again in the last forty-five years.

I really don't understand...

Khan - a specific character

Klingons - species / culture
Romulans - species / culture

both potential sources of countless diverse characters.

Nero and his gang were like no Rommies we've ever seen before. General Chang was very much unique too.

[CorporalCaptain]

You weren't asking for an interesting character; you were just asking for a species. Why not just ask for an interesting character, if that's what you really want, regardless of his, her, or its species?

[BillJ]

Mach5 wrote:

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Khan - a specific character

Klingons - species / culture
Romulans - species / culture

both potential sources of countless diverse characters.

Nero and his gang were like no Rommies we've ever seen before. General Chang was very much unique too.

But we've seen a shit-ton of Klingons and Romulans over the years. So much so they've really began to blend together. Nero and his gang were like no Romulans we've ever seen because they didn't act like anything other than a gang of thugs that you can find on street corners in any American city.

[Kruezerman]

So Karl Urban finally releases the "footage" from Trek XII right?

Kinda.

In other news I wanna try surfing. I hear it's fun.

[Trekkie2]

indranee wrote:

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Bob Orci said that both Alice Eve and Cumberbatch are playing Canon characters. Has that been talked about here yet?

I'm thinking Eve as Carol Marcus. I'm leaving the Cumberbatch thing alone. No use driving myself even further up the wall.

I thought Abrams said Eve's character was new to canon. Now Orci says the character is canon?

Why would Marcus be in a flight suit in a scene with Spock (given the probability that she is the lab tech, Mitchell set Kirk up with)?

I think these guys are feeding us all kinds of garbage, and sitting back, waiting to see if we'll digest it.

[The Wormhole]

Kruezerman wrote:

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*buzzer*

TrekMovie.com: OK, I want to try and get something out of you that is actually new about the movie. Kind of like you did on the radio show but I will name a guest actor in the sequel and you will say if they are playing a new character you created or one from the original Star Trek canon.

Roberto Orci: OK, I’ll play.


TrekMovie.com: OK let’s start with Alice Eve. Canon or new?


Roberto Orci: Canon

Fuck me up the goat ass. So just what the hell did they mean when they said "new to canon" anyway?

[chardman]

Although Weller is a totally different physical type from the actor who originated the role, it strikes me that Harry Mudd could easily be described as a businessman/CEO with his own ship. And if he is playing Mudd, perhaps the story combines both "Mudd's Women" and "I, Mudd" into a single tale, with Cumberbatch playing the android Norman. (Who, as I recall, also wore a Starfleet uniform, and was immune to Spock's nerve pinch.)

[The Wormhole]

^^According to the new interview, Peter Weller is a new character, so he can't be Harry Mudd.

[BillJ]

The Wormhole wrote:

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^^According to the new interview, Peter Weller is a new character, so he can't be Harry Mudd.

I don't buy anything they say about the film at this point...

[The Keeper]

^Take THAT to the bank! The con (or is it Khan?) is on, like never before. Trekdom is being playing seven ways to Sunday. I suspect opening day seats will be sold out weeks, or months, in advance. Well played PTB!

[Admiral Buzzkill]

People get all excited at the idea of Gary Seven or Gary Mitchell, but when they hear "Khan" they yelp "remake."

That makes no fucking sense.

Khan is a genuine character, thanks both to Montalban and to a narrative which established a long history for him prior to meeting Kirk and company and a life on-screen that went on to encompass fifteen or twenty years.

Mitchell is a one-off, with no significance or life other than servicing the demands of a very specific plot; you either tell the story of How Gary Became God or you get the fuck out. Seven is even less than that, a cardboard set-up for a TV series no one was interested in (not even to the extent of being willing to fund a stand-alone pilot).

There hasn't been a detail released - granted, there haven't been many, period - suggesting that this movie is a remake of anything.

[BillJ]

My Name Is Legion wrote:

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Mitchell is a one-off, with no significance or life other than servicing the demands of a very specific plot; you either tell the story of How Gary Became God or you get the fuck out.

I agree that a film featuring Mitchell would have to be much more a straight remake of previous material than one featuring Khan.

[Devon]

My Name Is Legion wrote:

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People get all excited at the idea of Gary Seven or Gary Mitchell, but when they hear "Khan" they yelp "remake."

That makes no fucking sense.

Exactly.

There hasn't been a detail released - granted, there haven't been many, period - suggesting that this movie is a remake of anything.

It's because said people have a one dimensional way of thinking without actually stopping to think about what they are saying. It's simplifying the name "Khan" to "The Wrath of Khan."

Bob Orci posted on TrekMovie the other day that some fans are not familiar with the works of Greg Cox, who he commented that he greatly admired. Greg has shown that you can do more with Khan than "The Wrath of Khan."

[Enterprise is Great]

I think it was the Variety article that announced Alice Eve's addition to the cast as a "new to the canon" character, I don't recall if there were any quotes from the producers to that effect in the article. Either Variety was mistaken, misinformed or the character was changed to a canon one during production.