The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station - Page 262

stj · July 15 2012, 01:51 PM

Studio written confidentiality agreements violate the independence of the reviewers. Formally everything that violates that is a disservice to the people who use reviews to guide their movie choices.

But is it an important violation? I'm sorry, it seems to me that the reviewing system is amazingly corrupted already. This issue is fairly trivial.

Warped9 · July 15 2012, 02:02 PM

stj wrote:

Studio written confidentiality agreements violate the independence of the reviewers. Formally everything that violates that is a disservice to the people who use reviews to guide their movie choices.

But is it an important violation? I'm sorry, it seems to me that the reviewing system is amazingly corrupted already. This issue is fairly trivial.

There is no violation of any kind if the reviewer agrees to the arrangement. You don't want to sign then you wait to see the film with the rest of the public and print your review afterward. Of course all the other media outlets will already have their reviews printed and posted for the public to read over their morning coffee.

Sindatur · July 15 2012, 02:58 PM

stj wrote:

Studio written confidentiality agreements violate the independence of the reviewers. Formally everything that violates that is a disservice to the people who use reviews to guide their movie choices.

But is it an important violation? I'm sorry, it seems to me that the reviewing system is amazingly corrupted already. This issue is fairly trivial.

Violating their independence, LOL, that's absurd. They are not told what they have to write, they are free to BBQ the movie in the most scathing terms if they want to.

And Jarrod's ridiculous claim it's like Nazi Germany and a violation of Free Speech, OMG? The Free Speech Guarantee in the Constitution says, "Congress cannot make any laws restricting..." There is no Government involved here, therefore, there is no Free Speech involved here.

archeryguy1701 · July 15 2012, 05:46 PM

Eh, I'm not seeing the big deal... seems like both sides are doing each other a favor- "We'll let you see our new movie well before anyone else gets to. But in exchange for this, you can't reveal anything about it until a couple days before the official release."

They could just make the reviewers watch it with the rest of us nobodies and the reviews wouldn't be available until after the movie opens.

Professor Zoom · July 15 2012, 07:09 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

Eh, I'm pretty sure Hitler enforced review embargos on Leni Riefenstahl films. So don't try to gloss over, sugarcoat and relativize my tongue in cheek and clearly exaggerated comparison.

So, then you're just trolling?

stj · July 15 2012, 09:39 PM

Sindatur wrote:

Violating their independence, LOL, that's absurd. They are not told what they have to write, they are free to BBQ the movie in the most scathing terms if they want to.

No they aren't free to write what they want. They are specifically instructed to omit certain items. Your misunderstanding is equivalent to saying that government censorship isn't a violation of free speech if they just require that the articles omit any mention of certain facts.

Incidentally, getting a free preview is also a violation of independence, however customary it is.

sidious618 · July 15 2012, 09:52 PM

Studios=private

Government=public

Those are two different things and need to be looked at in two different ways. To make a comparison between a studio allowing people to see a product early on the condition that they don't talk too much about it is in no way similar to government censorship.

Trekker4747 · July 15 2012, 09:53 PM

Private entities can do whatever they want to you (so long as they don't violate the law) especially if you agree to it.

There's now law against a company making you sign a contract to keep your mouth shut about a movie until a certain date.

InklingStar · July 15 2012, 11:18 PM

In a free society, parties are able to trade things of value to each other. Here, the studio is granting early access to reviewers. These reviewers are competing with each other to see who has the best-written reviews at the earliest point in time, because these are the things that draw readers/viewers which in turn draws advertisers which in turn draws them a paycheck. The value that the studio gets from the deal is free publicity, especially if their movie is good enough to garner positive reviews. Both parties get something out of the deal, so it is in both parties best interest to abide by the terms of the contract. It is neither censorship nor oppression to do so.

Agent Richard07 · July 16 2012, 12:27 AM

So, anyone going on opening day at midnight? Anyone got their tickets yet?

Warped9 · July 16 2012, 12:30 AM

Agent Richard07 wrote:

So, anyone going on opening day at midnight? Anyone got their tickets yet?

I'll be going Saturday afternoon around 1pm or so unless I can get a group together.

sidious618 · July 16 2012, 12:44 AM

Agent Richard07 wrote:

So, anyone going on opening day at midnight? Anyone got their tickets yet?

I ordered last night once I realized spoilers would be all over the place the next morning. So I'm going at 12:01 AM Friday by myself.

I'll be seeing it again, I'm sure, and will drag people along with me.

Admiral James Kirk · July 16 2012, 01:09 AM

I have three kids, midnight shows are a thing of the past until they're teenagers. Wish I could go then, though. I'll be seeing the morning show on Friday just like I did with TDK.

JacksonArcher · July 16 2012, 01:22 AM

Agent Richard07 wrote:

So, anyone going on opening day at midnight? Anyone got their tickets yet?

Wait. There's a new Batman movie coming out?!

CorporalClegg · July 16 2012, 01:30 AM

I want to go to the midnight show.

It just depends on how willing I am to drive home after 3.

July 15 2012, 01:51 PM	#3916
stj Rear Admiral Location: the real world	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Studio written confidentiality agreements violate the independence of the reviewers. Formally everything that violates that is a disservice to the people who use reviews to guide their movie choices. But is it an important violation? I'm sorry, it seems to me that the reviewing system is amazingly corrupted already. This issue is fairly trivial. __________________ Morals are what you do to other people. Other people, what we call society, are essential to human happiness. Therefore, morals are the path to happiness. My morals, your happiness; your morals, my happiness: It's a fair trade.

July 15 2012, 05:46 PM	#3919
archeryguy1701 Rear Admiral Location: Cheyenne, WY	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Eh, I'm not seeing the big deal... seems like both sides are doing each other a favor- "We'll let you see our new movie well before anyone else gets to. But in exchange for this, you can't reveal anything about it until a couple days before the official release." They could just make the reviewers watch it with the rest of us nobodies and the reviews wouldn't be available until after the movie opens. __________________ "If it weren't for stupid, difficult races, there'd simply be no point to living." Sometimes you just gotta roll the hard six- Bill Adama

July 15 2012, 09:52 PM	#3922
sidious618 Admiral Location: New York, US	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Studios=private Government=public Those are two different things and need to be looked at in two different ways. To make a comparison between a studio allowing people to see a product early on the condition that they don't talk too much about it is in no way similar to government censorship. __________________ We've met before, haven't we?

July 15 2012, 09:53 PM	#3923
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Private entities can do whatever they want to you (so long as they don't violate the law) especially if you agree to it. There's now law against a company making you sign a contract to keep your mouth shut about a movie until a certain date. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

July 15 2012, 11:18 PM	#3924
InklingStar Fleet Captain Location: Olympia, Washington, USA	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station In a free society, parties are able to trade things of value to each other. Here, the studio is granting early access to reviewers. These reviewers are competing with each other to see who has the best-written reviews at the earliest point in time, because these are the things that draw readers/viewers which in turn draws advertisers which in turn draws them a paycheck. The value that the studio gets from the deal is free publicity, especially if their movie is good enough to garner positive reviews. Both parties get something out of the deal, so it is in both parties best interest to abide by the terms of the contract. It is neither censorship nor oppression to do so. __________________ "In the name of the best within you, do not sacrifice this world to those who are its worst."

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July 16 2012, 12:27 AM	#3925
Agent Richard07 The Tim Burton Version Location: Defying Logic	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station So, anyone going on opening day at midnight? Anyone got their tickets yet?

July 16 2012, 01:09 AM	#3928
Admiral James Kirk Writer Location: Tucson, AZ	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station I have three kids, midnight shows are a thing of the past until they're teenagers. Wish I could go then, though. I'll be seeing the morning show on Friday just like I did with TDK. __________________ Star Force The Tales of the Star Force Anthology

July 16 2012, 01:30 AM	#3930
CorporalClegg Vice Admiral Location: Nuevo México	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station I want to go to the midnight show. It just depends on how willing I am to drive home after 3. __________________ Hola!