David Brin's latest novel, and a TED talk

[RAMA]

Finally got around to starting the book yesterday, will eventually give my thoughts both on the story and it's dip into exploration of the Singularity.

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Yminale wrote:

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AI is advancing even if it's slowly. I remember in the 90's when people were ready to give up on speech recognition. Now we have Siri and Google speak. I also remember people saying that computers would never go beyond brute force computation, but look there's Watson using adaptive algorithms to win Jeopardy.

When humans develop AI, it won't be like HAL9000 or Data. It'll probably be like an advance app that runs in the background.

There are real breakthroughs now, and as opposed to the linear, straight ahead thought process common on these threads, the evolution of AI is a parallel process, that results from the technological advances in different fields based on exponential info technologies from many different investment sources(hence sojourner's easily dismissed gripe about one technophilanthropist being ineffectual), the advances in the general field of AI are accelerating...and here is one way they have been, even over the last decade when AI was seemingly not advancing, it still made progress, there are a few basic examples here (some of which I have made before) that demonstrate the magnitude of these changes in a short time...but of course, since even that rate is accelerating, there is much more to come..

http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/kho...-intelligence/

And as usual, there are quite a few examples of AI improving...and those who drive it forward...they are definitely NOT the people who say it can't be done.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...ts-with-morals

[Chemahkuu]

*yawn*

[RAMA]

Chemahkuu wrote:

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*yawn*

I never expected you'd "get it" so just go back to sleep.

[Klaus]

Just started my copy too...

[RAMA]

Chemahkuu wrote:

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*yawn*

Klaus wrote:

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Just started my copy too...

[sojourner]

Well, no one denies that AI research is advancing. We've just got enough experience to avoid the gullibility of betting everything on the Singularity. If it happens, fine. But don't spend your life waiting for it. That's folly.

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sojourner wrote:

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Well, no one denies that AI research is advancing. We've just got enough experience to avoid the gullibility of betting everything on the Singularity. If it happens, fine. But don't spend your life waiting for it. That's folly.

Again you misunderstand...

Im not waiting(already said the timeframe could be 2035-2100 and I'd only have an outside chance to experience it), however, there is a large number of people in industry, economics, technology and even politics that are aware of the predictions based on mathematics, as well as the accuracy of predictions, and they are making it a self-fulfilling prediction...they know what milestones to hit, and they are out there investing in it, they are creating education for it (Singularity University), they are using the already existing advancement of technology to spur further growth. This is the sort of action that could make it appear sooner in the prediction rather than latter.

People are certainly claiming AI is not growing on these threads, they still think it's in an AI winter. It's the same but different, don't you know that?

Another current application showing the wide ranging spread of AI:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...813948080.html

You always knew it'd be Google:

http://io9.com/5923496

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[sojourner]

Hate to tell you this, but I do understand. I've understood from the beginning and discovered the Singularity theory before even being a member of this board.

We get it. You are in love with the idea. It makes you wet at night. Now can you stop dragging it into every freaking post you make?

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Two articles full of generalizations, unsupported declarations and failures to define, much less critically examine the broadest of assumptions?

Speech recognition appears to be the one concrete accomplishment that, for some reason, AI enthusiasts claim as evidence of progress. It's not really that at all.

I guess if one doesn't know anything about software development one might be impressed.

Eh.

[RAMA]

My Name Is Legion wrote:

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Two articles full of generalizations, unsupported declarations and failures to define, much less critically examine the broadest of assumptions?

Speech recognition appears to be the one concrete accomplishment that, for some reason, AI enthusiasts claim as evidence of progress. It's not really that at all.

I guess if one doesn't know anything about software development one might be impressed.

Eh.

Actually this assumption is incorrect, and know that based on an expert, so I'll take his informed opinion over yours any day.

[RAMA]

From David Brin'sFacebook: Science in 2021

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sojourner wrote:

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Hate to tell you this, but I do understand. I've understood from the beginning and discovered the Singularity theory before even being a member of this board.

We get it. You are in love with the idea. It makes you wet at night. Now can you stop dragging it into every freaking post you make?

Because it has implications for themes of this entire forum, from science, to SF, to ST, it is now impossible to separate the events leading to any Singularity from future extrapolation.

In other words, its not about cosplay at the San Diego Comicon and creating retro 50s tv shows anymore folks...its the real deal.

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[The Lensman]

RAMA wrote:

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Because it has implications for themes of this entire forum, from science, to SF, to ST, it is now impossible to separate the events leading to any Singularity from future extrapolation.

In other words, its not about cosplay at the San Diego Comicon and creating retro 50s tv shows anymore folks...its the real deal.

RAMA

Well, until that massive technological breakdown that occurs in 26 years that leaves us all living in a Mad Max style post apocalyptic wasteland fighting for the last remnants of the precious juice.

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The Lensman wrote:

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Well, until that massive technological breakdown that occurs in 26 years that leaves us all living in a Mad Max style post apocalyptic wasteland fighting for the last remnants of the precious juice.

The only downside..I want those haircuts and a car with big spikes on it...sadly frowned upon....