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Old July 12 2012, 12:07 PM   #376
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It's true. The South didn't like the future and had to be brutally dragged into it.
The future my a**, the war was motivated by northern greed.
The black slaves didn't get any vote in forming the CSA, so tough.
The only reason blacks were given the right to vote was the idea that it would further weaken the southern states and make them easier to occupy.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:11 PM   #377
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The future my a**, the war was motivated by northern greed.
The black slaves didn't get any vote in forming the CSA, so tough.
The only reason blacks were given the right to vote was the idea that it would further weaken the southern states and make them easier to occupy.
Giving blacks the vote weakened the South? Their love of the misery of slavery and greed for its continuation and expansion into territories seeking statehood made the CSA quite deserving of the war they got. One that could have been easily avoided by abolition. But Southern states' greed and inhumanity that perpetuated slavery earned them their quite just reward.The only thing weakened in the south by black's voting was racist foolishness.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:12 PM   #378
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The black slaves didn't get any vote in forming the CSA, so tough.
The only reason blacks were given the right to vote was the idea that it would further weaken the southern states and make them easier to occupy.
Their love of the misery of slavery and greed for its continuation and expansion into territories seeking statehood made the CSA quite deserving of the war they got. One that could have been easily avoided by abolition. But Southern states' greed and inhumanity that perpetuated slavery earned them their quite just reward.
You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:16 PM   #379
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
So explain how removing blacks from the voting roles would strengthen the South, or for that matter, the country?
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Old July 12 2012, 12:17 PM   #380
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
So explain how removing blacks from the voting roles would strengthen the South, or for that matter, the country?
It's a trick. Get an axe!
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Old July 12 2012, 12:20 PM   #381
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
I love how you try to paint historical research's results that have been verified through peer-review in a scientific process as "old".

Whereas your point of view is obviously not old and therefore more valid?

Dude, it's not 1863 any more. You can stop.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:26 PM   #382
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
So explain how removing blacks from the voting roles would strengthen the South, or for that matter, the country?
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
I love how you try to paint historical research's results that have been verified through peer-review in a scientific process as "old".

Whereas your point of view is obviously not old and therefore more valid?

Dude, it's not 1863 any more. You can stop.
The combiantion of disqualifying confederate officers from voting and allowing black men to vote effectively weakened the white populations political power int he south...your talking points are not verified history its just the lies that the Union fed to their citizens and other countries to justify their unlawful war.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:30 PM   #383
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
I love how you try to paint historical research's results that have been verified through peer-review in a scientific process as "old".

Whereas your point of view is obviously not old and therefore more valid?
Yeah, I was going to get there too. But I suppose that to people who have no idea what they are talking about, good research and bad research look virtually the same, so they are free to pick the version that agrees with their prejudices.

And on the same page: even if all the "Yankees" are beholden to "Union propaganda", how comes that non-American historical researchers, who clearly don't have a dog in this fight and thus are more likely to be unbiased, come to exactly the same conclusions as the "Yankee" historians, while virtually all Southern apologists hail from the South? (and are all quite butthurt at the resolution of the war?) It should at least make people think about it...
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Old July 12 2012, 12:31 PM   #384
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
So explain how removing blacks from the voting roles would strengthen the South, or for that matter, the country?
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
I love how you try to paint historical research's results that have been verified through peer-review in a scientific process as "old".

Whereas your point of view is obviously not old and therefore more valid?

Dude, it's not 1863 any more. You can stop.
The combiantion of disqualifying confederate officers from voting and allowing black men to vote effectively weakened the white populations political power int he south...your talking points are not verified history its just the lies that the Union fed to their citizens and other countries to justify their unlawful war.
That doesn't explain how blacks weakened the South by being able to vote. Nor does it explain how the South would be strengthened by removing blacks from the voting roles.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:32 PM   #385
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So explain how removing blacks from the voting roles would strengthen the South, or for that matter, the country?
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I love how you try to paint historical research's results that have been verified through peer-review in a scientific process as "old".

Whereas your point of view is obviously not old and therefore more valid?

Dude, it's not 1863 any more. You can stop.
The combiantion of disqualifying confederate officers from voting and allowing black men to vote effectively weakened the white populations political power int he south...your talking points are not verified history its just the lies that the Union fed to their citizens and other countries to justify their unlawful war.
That doesn't explain how blacks weakened the South by being able to vote.
Isn't it obvious, the blacks were reliant on northern intervention for their safety and freedom, by stopping a number of whites from voting and allowing the blacks to vote, it in effect made the southern states easier to control and occupy.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:34 PM   #386
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You really fell victim to the old propaganda, its almost laughable.
I love how you try to paint historical research's results that have been verified through peer-review in a scientific process as "old".

Whereas your point of view is obviously not old and therefore more valid?
Yeah, I was going to get there too. But I suppose that to people who have no idea what they are talking about, good research and bad research look virtually the same, so they are free to pick the version that agrees with their prejudices.

And on the same page: even if all the "Yankees" are beholden to "Union propaganda", how comes that non-American historical researchers, who clearly don't have a dog in this fight and thus are more likely to be unbiased, come to exactly the same conclusions as the "Yankee" historians, while virtually all Southern apologists hail from the South? (and are all quite butthurt at the resolution of the war?) It should at least make people think about it...
The victor writes the history books, not the loser, the euros read the history that the union vote, aka lies.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:35 PM   #387
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Isn't it obvious, the blacks were reliant on northern intervention for their safety and freedom
And don't you think that "blacks were reliant on northern intervention for their safety and freedom" suggests something suspicious about the CSA?

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The victor writes the history books, not the loser, the euros read the history that the union vote, aka lies.
Historians don't read the history books, they write them.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:36 PM   #388
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The combiantion of disqualifying confederate officers from voting and allowing black men to vote effectively weakened the white populations political power int he south...your talking points are not verified history its just the lies that the Union fed to their citizens and other countries to justify their unlawful war.
That doesn't explain how blacks weakened the South by being able to vote.
Isn't it obvious, the blacks were reliant on northern intervention for their safety and freedom, by stopping a number of whites from voting and allowing the blacks to vote, it in effect made the southern states easier to control and occupy.
Still explains nothing, except a belief in white exceptionalism on your part. How are blacks weakening anything by being able to vote?
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Old July 12 2012, 12:37 PM   #389
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Isn't it obvious, the blacks were reliant on northern intervention for their safety and freedom
And don't you think that the fact that "blacks were reliant on northern intervention for their safety and freedom" means something suspicious about the CSA?

No, the blacks would of been free in at most 30 years anyway so they'd be fine, the industrial revolution would of made slavery obselete.
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Old July 12 2012, 12:38 PM   #390
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That doesn't explain how blacks weakened the South by being able to vote.
Isn't it obvious, the blacks were reliant on northern intervention for their safety and freedom, by stopping a number of whites from voting and allowing the blacks to vote, it in effect made the southern states easier to control and occupy.
Still explains nothing, except a belief in white exceptionalism on your part. How are blacks weakening anything by being able to vote?
If you can't grasp what i wrote then ask a friend to explain it to you...
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