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Old June 27 2012, 10:10 AM   #16
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Re: DS9 - Where to start?

Won't let me install Nook cos I am in Israel.
How stupid.

Maybe I when I am in the UK next week it will allow me.

If so, is it better to buy there than on Kindle?
Price seems to be the same.
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Old June 27 2012, 10:39 AM   #17
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Found a place to download the apk directly and installed it.
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Old June 27 2012, 01:35 PM   #18
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Won't let me install Nook cos I am in Israel.
How stupid.

Maybe I when I am in the UK next week it will allow me.

If so, is it better to buy there than on Kindle?
Price seems to be the same.
I can't speak to whether the Kindle editions are better formatted technically or not; all I can tell you is that the Nook editions I've bought of the two most recent Trek books have been formatted properly, and that I'm very pleased with my Nook (not the least because it helps prop up a book-selling business that isn't named Amazon.com).
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Old June 28 2012, 07:22 AM   #19
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Since I have a gift certificate on Amazon I will stick to there for the moment.
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Old July 3 2012, 08:58 AM   #20
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If you're interested in the post-series DS9 novels (commonly called the DS9 Relaunch), it's generally recommended that you read them in publishing order.
However, there is one place where there is a major exception to that rule. IMHO, it's much better to read Unity immediately after Rising Son and then read The Left Hand of Destiny 1 & 2.

Again IMHO, there is a certain narrative momentum achieved throughout the Mission Gamma books and Rising Son that lead directly to a climax in Unity. The Left Hand of Destiny, as good as it is, is a two-novel digression that has nothing whatsoever to do with the main narrative that grinds that momentum to a halt.

Thematically, the The Left Hand of Destiny duology, with its focus on Worf, Martok and the Klingon Empire, works better leading into the The Worlds of Deep Space Nine trilogy, as they both focus on the worlds and species and cultures of the characters rather than on the station.

Also, realize that this was the originally intended publishing order. When unexpected Real Life Events delayed the release of Unity, TLHoD was pushed up to fill in the gap in the schedule. So, in an ideal world, this is the publishing/reading order that we would've gotten anyway.

Therefore, I feel that this is the best reading order for that segment of the DS9R...
  • Rising Son by S.D. Perry (2003)
  • Unity by S.D. Perry (2003)
  • The Left Hand of Destiny, Book One by J.G. Hertzler and Jeffrey Lang (2003)
  • The Left Hand of Destiny, Book Two by J.G. Hertzler and Jeffrey Lang (2003)
  • Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Vol. I (2004)
YMMV, of course. Happy reading!
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Old July 3 2012, 11:52 AM   #21
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Turtletrekker wrote: View Post
Thematically, the The Left Hand of Destiny duology, with its focus on Worf, Martok and the Klingon Empire, works better leading into the The Worlds of Deep Space Nine trilogy, as they both focus on the worlds and species and cultures of the characters rather than on the station.

Interesting - I hadn't thought of that, but it kinda makes sense. Although I tend to lump them in with the Gorkon/KE books rather than think of them as DS9 at all.

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Old July 3 2012, 11:49 PM   #22
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If you're confused about how things fit together, the flowchart in my signature should help
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Old July 4 2012, 02:27 PM   #23
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Also, realize that this was the originally intended publishing order. When unexpected Real Life Events delayed the release of Unity, TLHoD was pushed up to fill in the gap in the schedule.
I have never heard this before. In fact, I seem to recall reading in Voyages of the Imagination that The Left Hand of Destiny was itself delayed for quite some time by J.G. Hertzler having trouble putting everything together, leading Marco to bring Jeffrey Lang to the party as co-writer. So I'm a bit skeptical of that.

And so far as I know, Marco always said that publication order was his intended reading order as editor.
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Old July 4 2012, 02:42 PM   #24
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I seem to recall reading in Voyages of the Imagination that The Left Hand of Destiny was itself delayed for quite some time by J.G. Hertzler having trouble putting everything together, leading Marco to bring Jeffrey Lang to the party as co-writer.
Correct. In fact, I broke that news. We had Mr Hertzler here in Sydney for a convention and, for my from-the-audience question, I asked him about the seemingly delay in his books coming out. He was thrilled that I'd even heard about them, and he told the anecdote about how he "wasn't as clever at novel writing" than he'd originally assumed, and how Marco had recently come to the rescue by bringing in Jeffrey Lang to give his work an overhaul. The duology missed the originally-intended publication dates by about a year.
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Old July 10 2012, 12:33 PM   #25
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A related question:

Who is it that decides what is the "correct" on-going history of DS9?
Does the original franchise control the books and define a path to be followed?
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Old July 10 2012, 01:20 PM   #26
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Who is it that decides what is the "correct" on-going history of DS9?
Does the original franchise control the books and define a path to be followed?
The editor of a novel series is responsible for overseeing its overall direction and storyline, though the authors come up with most of the actual story ideas -- creating stuff is what they pay us to do, so why should they do it for us? An editor may have a loose plan for the direction of the series, while keeping that plan open to modification in response to the new ideas the authors come up with.

CBS, the studio that now owns Star Trek, does not "control" or "define" the books. All that CBS Licensing does is vet the books to ensure that they stay consistent with Star Trek canon (i.e. the TV shows and movies). Trek is just one of the licensed properties that CBS Licensing oversees, so it's not like they have time to do the creative work themselves (which is why they license book publishers to do it for them). As for the actual people who produced the various ST television shows, they've all moved on to other jobs (or, in some cases, died) and no longer have any responsibility for it.

Currently the only people actively overseeing new Star Trek screen production are J.J. Abrams and his team at Bad Robot Productions, and they do oversee the tie-ins to the new movie universe (specifically the IDW comics and the young-adult Starfleet Academy books) rather closely to ensure consistency. But they aren't involved in the creation of tie-in novels set in the "Prime" universe (i.e. the universe of every other Trek show and movie prior to 2009).
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Old July 10 2012, 01:20 PM   #27
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As far as I can ascertain from author's comments here, the individual authors are given lots of leeway by Pocket's editors to take the stories wherever they want. But everything has to be given the okay from CBS.

Those who ran the Trek TV series' aren't involved (although a few authors did write episodes)

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Old July 10 2012, 01:27 PM   #28
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So "Pocket" essentially licensed rights to create the continuous series of DS9 books?

Are there other series that contradict this one are is only this one allowed?

Just curiosity.
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Old July 10 2012, 01:34 PM   #29
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By choice, the vast majority of recent Trek novels are all in the same continuity (with the occasional mistake here and there, just like the TV show, but nothing egregious.) This includes all the DS9 novels.

Occasionally, there is a project that, for whatever reason, is chosen to be outside the normal continuity. If I recall correctly, the only ones lately have been the Crucible TOS trilogy (an anniversary trilogy that just focused on TV show continuity); William Shatner's long series wherein Kirk is resurrected after Generations (usually called the Shatnerverse); and the TOS novel The Children Of Kings. Also, New Frontier - a long, ongoing series that started in the late 90s - has a vague relationship to continuity, basically doing its own thing but with some of the other books referring to it. Its last novel seemed pretty out there, though, and might not be reconcilable with the rest.

Everything in the giant flowchart in my signature is part of the large-scale continuity. You'll see it called the "LitVerse" a lot around here, and the vast majority of it is freaking awesome.

And if you're worried about all this massive continuity getting overturned, Pocket's license to write Trek isn't going anywhere any time soon, and there seem to be no plans for any screen productions in the Prime universe at all right now. People make a big deal about how Star Wars's EU is technically "canon" while the Trek novels aren't, but in practice it works out to exactly the same thing - both novel series stay consistent within themselves, but can be overwritten by new screen productions at will. Since SW has new screen productions coming but ST doesn't, the ST continuity is probably safer than the SW one, regardless of what label you attach to it.
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I can't speak to whether the Kindle editions are better formatted technically or not; all I can tell you is that the Nook editions I've bought of the two most recent Trek books have been formatted properly, and that I'm very pleased with my Nook (not the least because it helps prop up a book-selling business that isn't named Amazon.com).
There's pretty much three distinct generations of eBooks from S&S:

1) 1979 - ~2000: Older titles that were scanned/OCR'd. These aren't going to look particularly good on any platform, and are going to be the prone to errors.

2) ~2000 - ~2009: Titles with electronic sources that were released for MS Reader, Mobipocket, and Palm eReader. These should have clean text on both Kindle and ePub, but the ePub version is likely going to have formatting errors (it looks like S&S converted the ePubs from another format rather than recreating them from the digital source files) that won't be present in the Kindle version (since Kindle is Mobipocket).

3) ~2009 - now: Titles with electronic sources that were released for Kindle and ePub. These should have clean text and formatting on both platforms, but the ePub will look nicer (thanks to the custom fonts and better formatting).
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