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View Poll Results: Rate Raise the Dawn.
Outstanding 83 70.34%
Above Average 25 21.19%
Average 3 2.54%
Below Average 3 2.54%
Poor 4 3.39%
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Old July 9 2012, 12:35 PM   #241
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That depends. Memory Beta says there have been three different Brisbanes asserted by various works -- a Miranda-class ship in a couple of RPGs, an "Aerie-class" colony ship in the Armada II video game, and an Excelsior class in the infamously error-laden FASA TNG Officer's Manual. If the book didn't specify which it was, it could be any or none of those.
Yes I checked Memory Beta, and wasnt particularly taken with any of those choices. I wouldnt have minded Excelsior, but not with that pedigree.
Maybe a smaller, mid-size cruiser like Norway or Steamrunner, dont seem to see those classes much in Trek-lit.
DRG, any thoughts?
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Old July 9 2012, 01:03 PM   #242
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DRG, any thoughts?
If you want his opinion, you'll have to contact him directly (for example on his Facebook). He left the TrekBBS some time ago for what he perceived as an overly negative attitude here.
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Old July 9 2012, 01:32 PM   #243
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And I'm still pissed at you all for driving him away before I got a chance to "meet" him .
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Old July 9 2012, 04:00 PM   #244
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DRG III appears to still visit the startrek.com forums. I recall him commenting there about Plagues of Night.
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Old July 9 2012, 07:45 PM   #245
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I just finished. It appears that Sela will have no chance to become praetor as in STO.
Not certain whether Kira will or should come back, she might be happy to reside in the presence of the Prophets.
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Old July 9 2012, 09:54 PM   #246
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I think now is the time for every single person on TrekBBS who poo-pooed DRG3, insulted him, annoyed him, said bad things about his work and so forth to go find out the best way you can to get down on your knees and grovel in front of him so hopefully he will com back here. ALL OF YOU WERE WRONG! So suck it up, admit it, grovel and whatever you have to do to prove you were wrong and get DRG3 back here.
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Old July 9 2012, 10:09 PM   #247
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I think now is the time for every single person on TrekBBS who poo-pooed DRG3, insulted him, annoyed him, said bad things about his work and so forth to go find out the best way you can to get down on your knees and grovel in front of him so hopefully he will com back here. ALL OF YOU WERE WRONG! So suck it up, admit it, grovel and whatever you have to do to prove you were wrong and get DRG3 back here.

If only.... I'm afraid some will still have their complaints, either because of RBoE, or because of the events on RtD.
Sadly, the biggest reasons that three people voted poor was only because of the station itself. They won't judge on plot, not on dialogue, not on character development, not on any of the criteria you use to judge a book. They will only think "OMFG, he dared to do that?? This book is evil and MUST be voted poor, no matter how well written it was, it has a suckz!!!" and more intelligent comments like that.

Like DRGIII has stated on other media, he is fine with people not liking his work. So if he's fine, who am I to comment on people who don't like his work? And normally, I wouldn't. But I find it so unfair that these people refuse to judge by the criteria I noted above.

If people thought the book was poor because of any of those reasons, they have formed an opinion that (personally) makes sense.
But thinking DRGIII is evil because of what happened to Sisko, or the station, or Kira... I just hope people can see beyond that.
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Old July 9 2012, 10:29 PM   #248
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I think this has been, potentially, the most relentlessly positive review thread for a new book in years. I suspect if he hadn't left over RBOE that he wouldn't be leaving now.
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Old July 10 2012, 06:39 PM   #249
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I think this has been, potentially, the most relentlessly positive review thread for a new book in years. I suspect if he hadn't left over RBOE that he wouldn't be leaving now.
I agree. But the way he was treated when the story wasn't even finished was shameful.
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Old July 10 2012, 06:40 PM   #250
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I finished Raise the Dawn and I am drained. It was that good. One of those books you need a nap after because it drains one so. It was that good.
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Old July 10 2012, 07:14 PM   #251
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I finished Raise the Dawn and I am drained. It was that good. One of those books you need a nap after because it drains one so. It was that good.
Yes, it was. It's been a couple weeks since I finished it, and I'm still thinking about it.
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Old July 10 2012, 07:32 PM   #252
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It would be nice if he would return and see if he gets a much better reception
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Old July 10 2012, 09:36 PM   #253
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It would be nice if he would return and see if he gets a much better reception
But would you return given how poorly treated he was? People jumped on him and said things that weren't even true. They made out like he just did something so very awful. It wasn't nice and would like to have DRG3 back, I cannot blame him for not being here.

I don't see anyone who said these sorts of things bending over backwards to apologize. If I start a thread for the apologies, I don't think many would do it.
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Old July 10 2012, 10:24 PM   #254
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But would you return given how poorly treated he was? People jumped on him and said things that weren't even true. They made out like he just did something so very awful. It wasn't nice and would like to have DRG3 back, I cannot blame him for not being here.
Thing is, I just reread the RBOE review thread where he announced his departure (here and here), and I couldn't really find anything like what you describe. There were negative comments, sure, but you make it sound as if he was jumped by an angry mob and beaten into a bloody pulp.

About this novel: definitely the strongest of DRG III's Typhon Pact novels. Still not agree with the direction DRGIII choose to take Sikso, but like I said in my Rough Beasts of Empire review last year, I concede that it is a possible one based on prior character developments, just not the one I would have taken. Anyway, the story was well written and most of the characterization were very good, so I voted above average.
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Old July 11 2012, 08:37 PM   #255
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Wow, this is really getting a good reception! Hope to see DS9 shine like this more often!
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