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Old July 8 2012, 11:15 AM   #226
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Re: TP: Raise the Dawn by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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There's no real indication that the Wormhole is gonna be gone for long, so I don't think the cover is lying, exactly....

The cover is already 'wrong' in that the station depicted is nothing like the station described at the end of the book.
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Old July 8 2012, 12:11 PM   #227
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Im not a regular here, so Im not sure if the author frequents these threads like some others, but can anyone tell me what class of starship the USS Brisbane is? As a born n bred Brisbanite, I'd love to know
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Old July 8 2012, 01:23 PM   #228
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The cover is already 'wrong' in that the station depicted is nothing like the station described at the end of the book.
DRG III has posted a comment about this on his Facebook.
"[A] series of construction work modules." That makes sense, since they kind of resemble the orbital office complex from TMP.


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Im not a regular here, so Im not sure if the author frequents these threads like some others, but can anyone tell me what class of starship the USS Brisbane is? As a born n bred Brisbanite, I'd love to know
That depends. Memory Beta says there have been three different Brisbanes asserted by various works -- a Miranda-class ship in a couple of RPGs, an "Aerie-class" colony ship in the Armada II video game, and an Excelsior class in the infamously error-laden FASA TNG Officer's Manual. If the book didn't specify which it was, it could be any or none of those.
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Old July 8 2012, 05:47 PM   #229
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Interesting comments from the author there. Perhaps Doug Drexler will get the chance to design the new DS9 for a novel next year.
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Old July 8 2012, 07:27 PM   #230
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Interesting comments from the author there. Perhaps Doug Drexler will get the chance to design the new DS9 for a novel next year.

Either Doug, or Mark Rademaker who did the Vesta and Merian class starships. He has a way of making very unique Starfleet designs.

On the other hand, Mark is working very hard on the Voyager refit. So better let Doug do it then.
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Old July 8 2012, 07:32 PM   #231
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That one paragraph toward the end of the book leaves room for a lot of interpretation by different designers, doesn't it?

I've got at least fifty questions I'd ask at minimum, especially after re-reading the DS9 Tech Manual repeatedly over the last week.
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Old July 8 2012, 07:57 PM   #232
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I'm reading the book, and so far loving it – it has so far exceeded my expectations, and actually made me look at the first TP novel with newfound appreciation (I had considered the first TP novels to be good in general, though nothing spectacular).

The more I read Raise the Dawn, I find myself thinking that this duology, along with the previous TP novels (except the otherwise-branded Titan novel Seize the Fire and perhaps Christopher's The Struggle Within), form a kind of an arc centered on DS9-related characters and settings

(A Singular Destiny would otherwise be the start of the arc if it weren't also the start of the VGR Re-relaunch and also thepost-Destiny TNG and Titan novels )
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Old July 8 2012, 08:11 PM   #233
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^I don't recall A Singular Destiny leading into VGR in any way, and it has virtually no connection to TTN. And Losing the Peace was the first post-Destiny TNG book; I don't recall the TNG cast being in ASD. So I think it would be perfectly accurate to say that ASD is the beginning of, or at least the prologue to, the Typhon Pact series. After all, it is the book that introduced the Pact.
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Old July 8 2012, 08:24 PM   #234
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First off I am a huge DS9 fan, and when they started the book relaunch so many years ago I was ecstatic. I read every book voraciously and was well pleased. But once Rough Beasts of Empire hit I was not a merry man. THe sudden turn in Sisko's character had me very displeased.

But now after Plagues of Night and Raise the Dawn I am happy again. Sisko got his head back on straight and the story was top notch. It was good to see all of the characters I have loved and to see what directions their lives have taken. It was like watching the series again. I laughed, cried, and felt joy.

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Old July 8 2012, 08:38 PM   #235
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^I don't recall A Singular Destiny leading into VGR in any way, and it has virtually no connection to TTN. And Losing the Peace was the first post-Destiny TNG book; I don't recall the TNG cast being in ASD. So I think it would be perfectly accurate to say that ASD is the beginning of, or at least the prologue to, the Typhon Pact series. After all, it is the book that introduced the Pact.
From what I recall, the plotline of B'Ellana and Miral "dying" was set up in ASD (one of the "report" sections).

As for TTN and TNG, IIRC they referenced the Voyager/Full Circle fleet (TTN - your very own Over a Torrent Sea) and the TP (the end / epilogue of Losing the Peace?)

But I see your point, Christopher - ASD and the recent duology can be seen as the beginning and end of an arc, at least IMO.
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Old July 8 2012, 10:17 PM   #236
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From what I recall, the plotline of B'Ellana and Miral "dying" was set up in ASD (one of the "report" sections).
That plot development was created by Kirsten for Full Circle, and Keith just inserted a subtle tease for it in ASD. It doesn't make sense to refer to that tiny little throwaway Easter egg in Keith's book as the "start" of Kirsten's series.


As for TTN and TNG, IIRC they referenced the Voyager/Full Circle fleet (TTN - your very own Over a Torrent Sea) and the TP (the end / epilogue of Losing the Peace?)
All of us doing the first wave of post-Destiny books coordinated our efforts for consistency and inserted passing nods to each other's books as appropriate. I believe I was specifically asked by Marco Palmieri to insert a line or two acknowledging the emergence of the Pact. But a passing nod is not a crossover. And I still don't recall anything in ASD that specifically referenced Titan.
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Old July 8 2012, 10:49 PM   #237
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Re: TP: Raise the Dawn by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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There's no real indication that the Wormhole is gonna be gone for long, so I don't think the cover is lying, exactly....
The cover is already 'wrong' in that the station depicted is nothing like the station described at the end of the book.
DRG III has posted a comment about this on his Facebook.
Ah, well then. I stand corrected.

As for the wormhole, I don't expect it to stay close either and I fully expect Kira to return eventually.
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Old July 9 2012, 02:09 AM   #238
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Will Sisko and Picard have a storyline together where they get to know one another and Sisko stops thinking of Picard as Locutis? Maybe there has been in a book I have not read...
There was a Picard/Sisko story in one of the "Slings and Arrows" ebooks - The first year of the Enterprise E, prior to First Contact.
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Old July 9 2012, 08:04 AM   #239
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From what I recall, the plotline of B'Ellana and Miral "dying" was set up in ASD (one of the "report" sections).
That plot development was created by Kirsten for Full Circle, and Keith just inserted a subtle tease for it in ASD. It doesn't make sense to refer to that tiny little throwaway Easter egg in Keith's book as the "start" of Kirsten's series.


As for TTN and TNG, IIRC they referenced the Voyager/Full Circle fleet (TTN - your very own Over a Torrent Sea) and the TP (the end / epilogue of Losing the Peace?)
All of us doing the first wave of post-Destiny books coordinated our efforts for consistency and inserted passing nods to each other's books as appropriate. I believe I was specifically asked by Marco Palmieri to insert a line or two acknowledging the emergence of the Pact. But a passing nod is not a crossover. And I still don't recall anything in ASD that specifically referenced Titan.
that's why I mentioned at the end of my last post:
"But I see your point, Christopher - ASD and the recent duology can be seen as the beginning and end of an arc, at least IMO."
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Old July 9 2012, 09:11 AM   #240
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Finished reading at the weekend, very good book (though the first one of the two flowed a bit better for me).

While i enjoyed it (and the TP series in general) i am getting a bit bored of astral-politics though so hopefully some upcoming books will feature a bit of space exploration...
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