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A 27 11.64%
A - 32 13.79%
B + 43 18.53%
B 33 14.22%
B - 21 9.05%
C + 19 8.19%
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Old July 8 2012, 01:18 PM   #871
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If this is to be the first of a possible trilogy, the only thing I'd worry about is Ridley Scott. Sorry to be ageist, but he's 74 now. Isn't he doing Blade Runner 2 next, or at some point at least. Thus I can't see Prometheus 2 coming out till 2016 or so. And then to do a possible third one as well.
Ha I'm not saying he's gonna drop dead at any minute, but I would just hope they got completed is all
Clint Eastwood is still knocking them out in his 80s.
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Old July 8 2012, 01:20 PM   #872
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Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.
Because of his clout Scott largely had final approval on what went on screen (plus control of the editing) and was involved in the initial script with Spaihts and the rewrite process along with Lindelof. He writes extremely detailed storyboards with elaborate drawings of what he wants to see onscreen and dialogue and plot ideas which were incorporated into the script. He was the one who came up with the whole Space Jesus idea and some of the other mythology. He was as much responsible for the script as they were, since this was his baby; his pet project. To absolve him of responsibility for the poor quality of the characters and plot and dump it entirely in Lindelof's lap is inaccurate and unfair. He knew what was happening as he filmed it, and if there was a problem in his eyes he could have ordered a change to the script.
But money limits everything and everyone.
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Old July 8 2012, 03:00 PM   #873
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Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.
Because of his clout Scott largely had final approval on what went on screen (plus control of the editing) and was involved in the initial script with Spaihts and the rewrite process along with Lindelof. He writes extremely detailed storyboards with elaborate drawings of what he wants to see onscreen and dialogue and plot ideas which were incorporated into the script. He was the one who came up with the whole Space Jesus idea and some of the other mythology. He was as much responsible for the script as they were, since this was his baby; his pet project. To absolve him of responsibility for the poor quality of the characters and plot and dump it entirely in Lindelof's lap is inaccurate and unfair. He knew what was happening as he filmed it, and if there was a problem in his eyes he could have ordered a change to the script.
But money limits everything and everyone.
It wouldn't have cost more money to have made sure the characters in Prometheus didn't resemble Abbot and Costello when writing the first draft.
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Old July 8 2012, 04:33 PM   #874
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The fetish for the director as the supposed main creator causes some of these problems. Scott, as we know from his notorious non-comprehension of Blade Runner, is not the sharpest tool in the box. So if he takes too many liberties, the thinking gets screwed up. Another part of the problem is the idea that because movies are visual media (forgetting they are audiovisual,) and one picture is a thousand words, that means the creation of pictures (as in storyboards) is the key to creating a movie. Unfortunately, by a perversion of math, a thousand words is worth more than a million pictures when it comes to communicating ideas.
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Old July 8 2012, 05:04 PM   #875
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...Scott's rather lackluster films of the past several years...
Body of Lies and American Gangster were pretty good, IMO. I even liked A Good Year. That movie had some undeniable charm. And Russel Crowe was pretty damn awesome in all three of these. Robin Hood was crap, though.
Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.
Feature filmmaking is the realm of the Director. He has final say on a script.

They also say a script is written three times. 1. By the writer. 2. On set. 3. In the editing room. Scott has control of 2 of 3 of those. (And a great deal of control over #1.)

It is absolutely his fault. It's not like he was some hired hand. It's HIS movie. HIS vision.
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Old July 8 2012, 05:07 PM   #876
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I really want to see the Special features and Commentary on the disc release as much as seeing the film again on BluRay.
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Old July 8 2012, 09:05 PM   #877
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If there was any sense in this world, Lindelof would have difficulties finding employment in Hollywood after this. This was a potentially great movie that was single-handedly ruined by a terrible script.
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Old July 8 2012, 10:30 PM   #878
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In other words, it's smooth sailing for Lindelof.
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Old July 8 2012, 10:34 PM   #879
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Feature filmmaking is the realm of the Director. He has final say on a script.

They also say a script is written three times. 1. By the writer. 2. On set. 3. In the editing room. Scott has control of 2 of 3 of those. (And a great deal of control over #1.)

It is absolutely his fault. It's not like he was some hired hand. It's HIS movie. HIS vision.

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By July 2009, Scott was attached to direct the film, and screenwriter Jon Spaihts was hired to pen the script based on his pitched idea for a direct Alien prequel.[40][60] With both director and writer in place, and pleased with Spaihts's pitch, Fox scheduled a release date for December 2011, but this was eventually dropped.[61] In June 2010, Scott announced that the script was complete and that pre-production would begin, with a filming date set for January 2011.[62] However, by July 2010, Lindelof had been hired to redevelop Spaihts's screenplay into a more original work.[63][64] In October 2010, Lindelof submitted his refined screenplay to Fox. The studio was pleased because it had contested Scott's proposed budget of $150–160 million and found Lindelof's screenplay to be more budget-conscious;[citation needed] Scott had initially requested a $250 million budget and an adult oriented product, but Fox was reluctant to invest this amount of money, and wanted to ensure the film would receive a lower age-rating to broaden the potential audience.[65]
If that's true, it shows that Lindelof was pretty much imposed on Scott and that Scott didn't have the final word in this production. Those who have the money call the shots.
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Old July 8 2012, 11:04 PM   #880
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As director I'm sure that Ridley Scott had a say in the cut of the movie that hit the theater, so I do think it's possible that the deleted scenes and/or director's cut on the DVDs could make more sense of the movie.
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Old July 8 2012, 11:40 PM   #881
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I saw it in 3-D this week and really enjoyed the film.
I think the 3-D only added a lot to about 20% of the film. Maybe I'll see it again at the cinema in 2-D.
The production design and spacesuits, ships, transport machines were great. The autonomous flying mapping machines were awesome. Great technology that we almost have today with drones flying with MS Kinect strapped to them to map an interior autonomously. Great 3-D model they created.
All the visual effects were state of the art and amazing. Great scifi on the big screen. finally. it's been a long time. I'm glad it wasn't all lasers and guns and shooting.
Iceland made a great planet location.

Very modern and not too much throwback to tech of Alien film on the ship itself.

I thought I saw LV-422 on the view screen when I thought in Alien and Aliens the planet colony was LV-426. Did anyone else notice this?
Noomi Rapace was the real standout. Just an amazing performance. Ridley Scott was generous with her screentime. Charlize Theron was great as well but given much less screentime. Still she made good use of it.

Great Fassbender as the android. Reminded me of Moon for the first 10 minutes of the film.
Here's a great 2 minute video of how they did the ship landing sequence
PROMETHEUS: LANDING SEQUENCE & CRASH

Do I need to see it in 3-D again? no. do i need to see another 20 minutes of deleted scenes for a director's cut? sure. Will I buy the blu-ray? Probably.

Edit: i see it's actually LV-223
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discu...s-backstory/p1

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As director I'm sure that Ridley Scott had a say in the cut of the movie that hit the theater, so I do think it's possible that the deleted scenes and/or director's cut on the DVDs could make more sense of the movie.
This was the case with Kingdom Of Heaven, the director's cut of which was a pretty decent film. However, I don't think any amount of cut footage can improve the script of Prometheus, unless every instance of someone doing dumb things for no reason will be removed. It will make a director's cut of about 20 minutes of truly breathtaking special effects shots.
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Old July 9 2012, 06:35 AM   #883
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By July 2009, Scott was attached to direct the film, and screenwriter Jon Spaihts was hired to pen the script based on his pitched idea for a direct Alien prequel.[40][60] With both director and writer in place, and pleased with Spaihts's pitch, Fox scheduled a release date for December 2011, but this was eventually dropped.[61] In June 2010, Scott announced that the script was complete and that pre-production would begin, with a filming date set for January 2011.[62] However, by July 2010, Lindelof had been hired to redevelop Spaihts's screenplay into a more original work.[63][64] In October 2010, Lindelof submitted his refined screenplay to Fox. The studio was pleased because it had contested Scott's proposed budget of $150–160 million and found Lindelof's screenplay to be more budget-conscious;[citation needed] Scott had initially requested a $250 million budget and an adult oriented product, but Fox was reluctant to invest this amount of money, and wanted to ensure the film would receive a lower age-rating to broaden the potential audience.[65]
If that's true, it shows that Lindelof was pretty much imposed on Scott and that Scott didn't have the final word in this production. Those who have the money call the shots.
Highlighted the important part.
Nevertheless, even if it was true, all it's saying was Lindelof's script was CHEAPER. Which means big CGI set pieces or whatever were cut. Characters not acting stupid... doesn't cost much.

Ridley shouldn't be taken off the hook, mate.
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Old July 9 2012, 08:52 PM   #884
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From everything I've heard, Scott hired Lindelof.
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Old July 9 2012, 09:05 PM   #885
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Body of Lies and American Gangster were pretty good, IMO. I even liked A Good Year. That movie had some undeniable charm. And Russel Crowe was pretty damn awesome in all three of these. Robin Hood was crap, though.
Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.
Feature filmmaking is the realm of the Director. He has final say on a script.

They also say a script is written three times. 1. By the writer. 2. On set. 3. In the editing room. Scott has control of 2 of 3 of those. (And a great deal of control over #1.)

It is absolutely his fault. It's not like he was some hired hand. It's HIS movie. HIS vision.
There is also one other element invovled in the process of making a film. The Studio itself.

Studios could set a release date for film, before even principal photography begins.

The studio might not approve any additional funds for reshooting scenes with new dialouge.

Some actors might have had experiance with directors who disapproved of ad-libbing as such refrain from it.

A studio can force a particular cut on the director.

What are the exact terms of the contracts etc..

It doesn't look as if Prometheus is a massive hit at the box-office but it looks like it's done enough to turn a small profit.
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