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Old July 8 2012, 02:20 AM   #91
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Ah, this is a thread about "Ancient Aliens".. didn't notice that
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Old July 8 2012, 03:44 AM   #92
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Don't worry, we all go off on tangents. Mine: The Green Collar Comedy Tour! (see earlier post)


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Old July 8 2012, 05:37 AM   #93
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....hang out on a science fiction internet forum but don't think we should explore space.

Seriously, I've encountered people here with that attitude. I can't fathom it.
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Old July 8 2012, 07:48 AM   #94
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Let's face it guys. There is no tangible evidence that intelligent life exists outside this planet. I will say that given the sheer number of stars in this galaxy and the sheer number of galaxies in the universe that the odds favor life evolving elsewhere. But there's really no way to prove it one way or the other at this time. Or if it would even be anything like us. Just imagine what an evolutionary advantage we humans have, possessing interposable thumbs for example. To say nothing of how differently intelligent beings evolving under different circumstances would view the world as opposed to us.

This is a rather circular debate to have. If there are aliens out there, then how come only rednecks and scifi fanatics see them? :P
The laws of mathematics and statistics say there must be much alien life out there.

And the laws of physics say they pretty much can damn well stay out there.

While the laws of common sense say they'd have no reason to come here when they don't know there's a here to come to...
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Old July 8 2012, 08:03 AM   #95
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And the laws of physics say they pretty much can damn well stay out there.
This single inconvenient truth causes more anguish to science fiction fans and alien watchers than anything else.
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Old July 8 2012, 08:15 AM   #96
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And the laws of physics say they pretty much can damn well stay out there.

While the laws of common sense say they'd have no reason to come here when they don't know there's a here to come to...
I think the real reason we haven't seen any proof of aliens is going to be much more interesting than either of those statements.
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Old July 8 2012, 09:49 AM   #97
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And the laws of physics say they pretty much can damn well stay out there.

While the laws of common sense say they'd have no reason to come here when they don't know there's a here to come to...
I think the real reason we haven't seen any proof of aliens is going to be much more interesting than either of those statements.
Um, I doubt it. Really, I doubt it. Space is just *so* damn big, you see, that that damn lightspeed limit buggers everything up...
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Old July 8 2012, 09:53 AM   #98
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Mind you, I've always said that if we ever do find proof of intelligent aliens, it'll be in the form of signal spam actually just passing by us on the way somewhere else. And possibly actual spam: "I am Emperor GHajhkhsfs of the Kuhiuiuhiuh system. My late father was killed when our sun went nova, and I need your help to unlock the 50 gajillion credits in his Galactibank account..."
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Old July 8 2012, 11:07 AM   #99
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^lots of people and physics.
How did they beat the gravity and friction force?
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Old July 8 2012, 01:23 PM   #100
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^The same way you move anything: Leverage, torque and the appropriate application of force.

I'm sure if aliens did visit, they would have had better things to do with their time than move rocks around for the crazy bald ape people.
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Old July 8 2012, 02:39 PM   #101
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And the laws of physics say they pretty much can damn well stay out there.
This single inconvenient truth causes more anguish to science fiction fans and alien watchers than anything else.
Yep.

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^lots of people and physics.
How did they beat the gravity and friction force?
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^The same way you move anything: Leverage, torque and the appropriate application of force.
Yep. This isn't rocket science, Starbrow, and we know it to have been fully within the capabilities of ancient peoples in many places around the world - which is why the dimwits on TV insisting that it constitutes evidence of high technology reveal themselves to be idiots or charlatans.
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Old July 8 2012, 04:05 PM   #102
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^The same way you move anything: Leverage, torque and the appropriate application of force.

I'm sure if aliens did visit, they would have had better things to do with their time than move rocks around for the crazy bald ape people.
I can't see how you can lift a 80 tonnes rock with a wooden leverage with out it breaking in to peaces.

We are talking about simple wood here, right?

Legion, i am just trying to understand. If you have some knowledge on how they did it, i would very much like to read about it as well.
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Old July 8 2012, 05:03 PM   #103
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Are you referring to a specific monument in question?
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Old July 8 2012, 05:13 PM   #104
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^The same way you move anything: Leverage, torque and the appropriate application of force.

I'm sure if aliens did visit, they would have had better things to do with their time than move rocks around for the crazy bald ape people.
I can't see how you can lift a 80 tonnes rock with a wooden leverage with out it breaking in to peaces.

We are talking about simple wood here, right?

Legion, i am just trying to understand. If you have some knowledge on how they did it, i would very much like to read about it as well.
Multiple levers, digging pits under it, earthen banks and ramps, A-frames, greased logs, leather and sinew, and lots of guys spreading the load at the same time...

Remember that wood has give, and compressability, which, when used correctly, means it won't break if you've set it all up right.

But if you really think it needs alien technology to move multi-ton stones... You'd be wrong. Here's one guy doing it with sticks and stones. He's not an alien.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK1Rzch89Dw

Now, imagine there's a couple of hundred guys on the building site...
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Old July 8 2012, 06:24 PM   #105
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And the laws of physics say they pretty much can damn well stay out there.

While the laws of common sense say they'd have no reason to come here when they don't know there's a here to come to...
I think the real reason we haven't seen any proof of aliens is going to be much more interesting than either of those statements.
Um, I doubt it. Really, I doubt it. Space is just *so* damn big, you see, that that damn lightspeed limit buggers everything up...
But the speed of light is not a catch all limit to interstellar travel. Heck, we're only a couple centuries away from being able to build craft that can do significant percentages of c. Couple that with a race that has a naturally longer life and they could pretty easily start exploring the stars. I'm not saying they are anywhere near us, or interested in us if they do know we are here, but I don't think the speed of light is the ultimate "no" to expansion beyond a solar system.
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