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View Poll Results: Rate Plagues of Night.
Outstanding 58 52.25%
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Old June 20 2012, 05:02 AM   #406
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Re: Typhon Pact: Plagues of Night by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

I've kind of assumed it was Jackie Robinson, but that might be a bit on the nose.
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Old June 20 2012, 09:03 AM   #407
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Perhaps A.G. Robinson from ENT's "First Flight"?

I suspect a Trek-centric name after the USS James T. Kirk in RBoE.
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Old June 20 2012, 01:12 PM   #408
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My assumption was always A.G. Robinson. Jackie Robinson was mentioned in PoN, but only as a passing thought. If it had been Jackie, it probably would've been mentioned in Sisko's inner thoughts when he considered watching a Jackie Robinson game in the holosuite. A.G. was a Starfleet pioneer, so it makes more sense to name it after him before they name it after a 460 year old baseball player, even though he was a pioneer in his own right.
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Old June 20 2012, 05:17 PM   #409
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Thanks guys. I wasn't sure if it might have been mentioned in Rough Beasts or Plagues somewhere that I missed, or if perhaps DRGIII had said definitively whom she was named for somewhere online.

In lieu of anything being explicitly established, I would tend to presume that she's named for A.G. Robinson, too, just because presuming she's named for Jackie Robinson seems a little weird -- "We put the black captain on the ship named after a black athletics pioneer." Plus, I have a hard time picturing Starfleet naming ships of the line after professional athletes, even ones who break racial boundaries.
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Old June 20 2012, 06:00 PM   #410
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...Plus, I have a hard time picturing Starfleet naming ships of the line after professional athletes, even ones who break racial boundaries.
This is exactly what i was thinking
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Old June 20 2012, 10:51 PM   #411
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Perhaps A.G. Robinson from ENT's "First Flight"?

I suspect a Trek-centric name after the USS James T. Kirk in RBoE.
I suspect you're right about point one.

As for naming a starship directly after Kirk himself when there's still an Enterprise in the spacelanes...am I the only reader who finds that slightly off somehow?

Apologies to DRG III for my discomfort - best word for the reaction I had - with the idea, but it's there and I had to confess to it. You can't manage the emotion without owning up to it, right?
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Old June 20 2012, 10:59 PM   #412
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As for naming a starship directly after Kirk himself when there's still an Enterprise in the spacelanes...am I the only reader who finds that slightly off somehow?
Enterprise captains include Archer, April (perhaps), Pike, Kirk, Decker (technically), Spock, Harriman, Sulu, Garrett, and Picard. Kirk is not uniquely identified with that ship name, so I don't see the problem.
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Old June 21 2012, 03:21 AM   #413
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There was a USS Archer in Nemesis, and both Decker and Pike have had ships named after them in the non-canon but official materials.
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Old June 21 2012, 05:10 PM   #414
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There is an Archer-class ship in Vanguard.

I'm actually shocked there isn't a Kirk-class ship.
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Old June 21 2012, 06:11 PM   #415
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As for naming a starship directly after Kirk himself when there's still an Enterprise in the spacelanes...am I the only reader who finds that slightly off somehow?
Enterprise captains include Archer, April (perhaps), Pike, Kirk, Decker (technically), Spock, Harriman, Sulu, Garrett, and Picard. Kirk is not uniquely identified with that ship name, so I don't see the problem.
There was a USS Archer in Nemesis, and both Decker and Pike have had ships named after them in the non-canon but official materials.
Plus, one of Kirk's most famous acts of heroism occurred without any starship Enterprise -- saving Earth from the Whale Probe while serving as captain of the hijacked H.M.S. Bounty/I.K.S. Qel'Poh.
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Old June 21 2012, 10:43 PM   #416
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There is an Archer-class ship in Vanguard.

I'm actually shocked there isn't a Kirk-class ship.
Archer-class sounds better than Kirk-class.

Besides, as famous as Kirk was, he still was no Founding Father of the Federation. I don't think people in-universe worship Kirk or hold him up on as high a pedestal as do many people in the real world.
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Old June 21 2012, 10:46 PM   #417
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Besides, as famous as Kirk was, he still was no Founding Father of the Federation. I don't think people in-universe worship Kirk or hold him up on as high a pedestal as do many people in the real world.
I like to think that as well. Though, admittedly, Kirk did play a key role in saving the Earth from destruction by an unstoppable alien probe twice in the span of a dozen years or so, which does seem to be the sort of thing that would get someone a pretty sizeable mention in the history books.
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Old June 21 2012, 11:28 PM   #418
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Besides, as famous as Kirk was, he still was no Founding Father of the Federation. I don't think people in-universe worship Kirk or hold him up on as high a pedestal as do many people in the real world.
I like to think that as well. Though, admittedly, Kirk did play a key role in saving the Earth from destruction by an unstoppable alien probe twice in the span of a dozen years or so, which does seem to be the sort of thing that would get someone a pretty sizeable mention in the history books.
And on top of his contributions to Federation science, diplomacy, and defense while in command of the original Enterprise's five-year mission, he also uncovered and thwarted a Klingon attempt to steal the secrets of Project Genesis, and he personally saved the Federation President from assassination and prevented the Khitomer Conspiracy from instigating a war between the UFP and the Klingon Empire.

I doubt that Kirk would be worshipped, but I imagine that he would be held in at least as high a regard as we today tend to hold leaders like Ulysses S. Grant, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Chester Nimitz, or Douglas MacArthur.

I'm sure Kirk isn't venerated, and he certainly has his detractors. But the idea that he would be remembered and respected enough for Starfleet to name a ship U.S.S. James T. Kirk is completely plausible.

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If anything, the relative dearth of starships named after people from the Federation's 200-year history is somewhat implausible. Realistically, they'd probably be naming a significant percentage of their starships after well-regarded Federates from their own history -- to say nothing of naming more ships after people and places other than Earth -- instead of naming so many ships after Humans and Earth locations from the 19th and 20th centuries.
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Old June 22 2012, 09:57 PM   #419
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Thanks guys. I wasn't sure if it might have been mentioned in Rough Beasts or Plagues somewhere that I missed, or if perhaps DRGIII had said definitively whom she was named for somewhere online.

In lieu of anything being explicitly established, I would tend to presume that she's named for A.G. Robinson, too, just because presuming she's named for Jackie Robinson seems a little weird -- "We put the black captain on the ship named after a black athletics pioneer." Plus, I have a hard time picturing Starfleet naming ships of the line after professional athletes, even ones who break racial boundaries.
Perhaps it's named after all of these Robinsons? Otherwise, wouldn't the full name be included (i.e. USS A.G. Robinson)?

It's like the USS Roosevelt from Wolf 359. Was it FDR or Teddy? Could be both.
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Old June 22 2012, 10:09 PM   #420
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Kirk's exploits become required reading and I think every cadet knows the name of Kirk. Starfleet named a ship the USS James T Kirk, so why not a class of ship?

I mean, Janeway got a statue!
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