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View Poll Results: Wich Ship displayed largest amount of endurance and defensive ability?
USS Enterprise-E 13 27.08%
USS Voyager 17 35.42%
USS Defiant 13 27.08%
USS Enterprise -D 3 6.25%
USS Enterprise-A 3 6.25%
USS Enterprise-NX 8 16.67%
USS Enterprise-jj abrams 0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old June 15 2012, 10:52 PM   #31
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

I also like that in Season 3 (like BSG did,) when it was damaged, it stayed damaged for the following episodes. All the way till it was finally repaired/refitted in 4.03

Unlike say VOY where the ship would come under sever fire, and the next episode it was perfectly fine- Deadlock, The Killing Game, Equinox pt.2 etc
Even DS9 did it with Season 4's To The Death where an upper pylon was blown away, but of course next week it was 100% fixed
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Old June 17 2012, 07:30 PM   #32
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

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I also like that in Season 3 (like BSG did,) when it was damaged, it stayed damaged for the following episodes. All the way till it was finally repaired/refitted in 4.03

Unlike say VOY where the ship would come under sever fire, and the next episode it was perfectly fine- Deadlock, The Killing Game, Equinox pt.2 etc
Even DS9 did it with Season 4's To The Death where an upper pylon was blown away, but of course next week it was 100% fixed

my most hated thing is Voyager critics who most of the time have bad reference.

1/ in Deadlock the Voy was only internally damage,with microfractures etc...would be easy to repair anything in the 24th centuary when you can replicate whatever.

2/Killling game also had only internal damage.

3/ Equinox yeah Voy was Damaged by the aliens so what? and it was repaired miraculously? is that the first time you see it in a series or movie XD...i don't see anyone getting annoyed over the Enterprise-D getting a huge part of its hull chopped off in Qwho....then continuing on its way fully repaired in the next cut scene.thats just cause people prefer TNG over the others and ignore all the inconsistencies that are so obvious in all trek. people should just watch and enjoy without nagging and picking every detail.
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Old June 17 2012, 07:36 PM   #33
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

Well with your example with TNG, it's less feasible for them to have shown the damage because they only had the physical ship models to show in the space shots (a 4 foot and 6 foot model, if I'm right?), while Voyager was a CGI model, so you could always modify a copy of the computer model to show the damage. Also, the section cut out of the Ent-D wouldn't really have been visible on a 600metre, 42 deck ship.
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Old June 18 2012, 03:45 AM   #34
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

Hmm, let's see.

- Since TNG wasn't an action-oriented series, D got into relatively few scrapes and in those it oft dominated or got dominated quickly. Then there's its obliteration in Generations.

- A wasn't really confronted with long battles either.

- The Defiant survived many battles, some of which proved deadly to might Galaxy-class ships, but it usually did so through alacrity and raw firepower, not resilience.

- Voyager's main trick was its near-endless supply of reset buttons, nothing to do with the ship itself.

- NX sure took a lot of abuse in the Xindi arc.

- E was partly assimilated and used to ram a powerhouse... and live to tell the tale.

So, I'd say: E>NX>Defiant>D>A>Voyager in terms of defensive capability.
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Old June 18 2012, 06:19 AM   #35
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

There seems to be two different questions being asked here, the title of the thread: Which ship took the biggest beatings; and the poll question, Which ship had the best defences?

For the former I would say Voyager, even though the hull always looked immaculate in the next episode and there was never any worries about spare metal to patch up breaches or new conduit piping, etc.

For the latter I would say the Defiant, as she is small, highly agile, equipped with ablative armour and was primarily designed to fight. Add to that pulse phasers and quantum torpedoes as her armament and she's pretty badass.
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Old June 18 2012, 06:42 AM   #36
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

Well, you're a little late at reprimanding me. Someone beat you to it!

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I haven't voted in part because of several ships
The Enterprise C was utterly destroyed in battle. Since someone pointed out that the original Defiant was destroyed and no one said no to that, What about the C?
We don't really know that. All we know is that it was captured by the Romulans. How (or if) it was really destroyed, we don't know, since the only person we've heard talk about it is a half-Romulan who is already angry at Starfleet.

Then there is the first 1701-A in ST-III where the ship was taken over by Klingons and then blown up by kirk. Does that meet the criteria?
Nope. Since the first 1701-A did not appear until the next movie, The Voyage Home.
Like the other guy said, so I got the 'A' wrong but the question would stand for ST-III when kirk toasted his ship.

Last is the destruction of ENT-D. I forgot the movie. Everyone had enough time to get to the saucer to separate. Given the cercumstances the D had to go thru, I would think it would satisfy the criteria.
Yes, the Enterprise-D was destroyed by "a 20 year old Klingon ship" but what people keep forgetting (or not mentioning) is that those Klingons had the access codes to the Enterprise's shields and took them down, just as the Enterprise had done to the Relient back in Star Trek II. There's a reason they keep the shields up when they're in battle. [/quote]

So the E-D was in battle and Lost because someone had their codes just as the Reliant lost because Kirk used those codes. It sounds like any Federation ship could have done that (and ended a couple episodes short) It was still a battle and the E-D still lost it.

I know the Ent-C isn't a hero ship, just as the Ent-B isn't a hero ship even though the latter appeared in a movie helmed Captain Sulu.
No, it didn't. That was Captain Harriman. The Sulu who was piloting the Enterprise-B was Demora Sulu - Captain Sulu's daughter.

Did you get a single fact right?[/QUOTE]

Since it isn't in the List, why argu which sulu was on which ship? Since neither the Excelsior or the E-B was a hero ship, it doesn't matter.
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Old June 18 2012, 01:15 PM   #37
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

Xhiandra wrote: View Post
Hmm, let's see.

- Since TNG wasn't an action-oriented series, D got into relatively few scrapes and in those it oft dominated or got dominated quickly. Then there's its obliteration in Generations.

- A wasn't really confronted with long battles either.

- The Defiant survived many battles, some of which proved deadly to might Galaxy-class ships, but it usually did so through alacrity and raw firepower, not resilience.

- Voyager's main trick was its near-endless supply of reset buttons, nothing to do with the ship itself.

- NX sure took a lot of abuse in the Xindi arc.

- E was partly assimilated and used to ram a powerhouse... and live to tell the tale.

So, I'd say: E>NX>Defiant>D>A>Voyager in terms of defensive capability.
actually you are quite mistaken about voyager reset buttons has nothing to do with the amount of damage the ship took.
the Intrepid class itself seems a very defensive ship,from the beating it took in year of hell to the confrontation with the Tactical cube in unimatrix 0,it proved it has far more resilience/Defense in combat then the D/NX/Defiant easily. only ship that actually might beat it in that department is ENt-E,on screen evidence clearly proves it.
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Old June 18 2012, 01:17 PM   #38
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Well with your example with TNG, it's less feasible for them to have shown the damage because they only had the physical ship models to show in the space shots (a 4 foot and 6 foot model, if I'm right?), while Voyager was a CGI model, so you could always modify a copy of the computer model to show the damage. Also, the section cut out of the Ent-D wouldn't really have been visible on a 600metre, 42 deck ship.
the example that she/he was referring to in deadlock they used models in season 2 of voyager not cgi as well. in addition CGI scenes with details(hull debris fragment etc...)costs a lot of money.
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