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View Poll Results: Rate Plagues of Night.
Outstanding 59 52.68%
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Average 11 9.82%
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Old June 14 2012, 06:28 AM   #361
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Re: Typhon Pact: Plagues of Night by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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I have not read all the back posts. I read a few posts about the station on the cover of Raise the Dawn. Did anyone suggest that it could be a uncloaked Typhon pact station that appears as Enterprise comes through the wormhole?
Well, that would be a really weird sequence of events, considering that the station on the cover of Raise the Dawn has the Arabic numerals for "one hundred seventy-three" on its hull, and that the ship appearing out of the Bajoran Wormhole is an Excelsior-class starship rather than a Sovereign...

I wonder how everyone will feel when they learn Kira warned Kassidy after her vision, but let the ship meet its doom with all those people on board. (if they survive the station explosion).
Context makes it pretty clear that Kira had no idea the Xhosa was about to be destroyed. She honestly thought she was asking Kassidy to take a risk by staying on Deep Space 9, not saving her from certain death.

I think Kassidy would have left Rebecca on Bajor on the first run of evacuees.
This was explicitly established in the novel, yeah. Rebecca is perfectly safe.

Are the quantum torpedoes those future torpedoes from Voyager Endgame? I think they seemed so powerful in Destiny, but don't seem as powerful here.
No, quantum torpedoes were first established in the DS9 Season Three episode "Defiant," which aired in 1994.

You're thinking of the transphasic torpedo, which was first introduced in VOY's series finale "Endgame," and were used to only limited effect against the Borg in Star Trek: Destiny.
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Old June 14 2012, 06:54 AM   #362
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I have not read all the back posts. I read a few posts about the station on the cover of Raise the Dawn. Did anyone suggest that it could be a uncloaked Typhon pact station that appears as Enterprise comes through the wormhole?
Well, that would be a really weird sequence of events, considering that the station on the cover of Raise the Dawn has the Arabic numerals for "one hundred seventy-three" on its hull, and that the ship appearing out of the Bajoran Wormhole is an Excelsior-class starship rather than a Sovereign...

I only looked at a small picture of the cover. I knew I should have looked closer.

I wonder how everyone will feel when they learn Kira warned Kassidy after her vision, but let the ship meet its doom with all those people on board. (if they survive the station explosion).
Context makes it pretty clear that Kira had no idea the Xhosa was about to be destroyed. She honestly thought she was asking Kassidy to take a risk by staying on Deep Space 9, not saving her from certain death.

I thought Kira had a vision that they needed to leave the ship to be safe and she only said it was to help other people to get Kassidy to come with her. I thought maybe she didn't expect everyone to trust her vision and stay, so she at least convinced Kassidy to get off.

I think Kassidy would have left Rebecca on Bajor on the first run of evacuees.
This was explicitly established in the novel, yeah. Rebecca is perfectly safe.

I read the book, but I am having an OCD episode, so I am not concentrating the best. Thanks for pointing this out.

Are the quantum torpedoes those future torpedoes from Voyager Endgame? I think they seemed so powerful in Destiny, but don't seem as powerful here.
No, quantum torpedoes were first established in the DS9 Season Three episode "Defiant," which aired in 1994.

You're thinking of the transphasic torpedo, which was first introduced in VOY's series finale "Endgame," and were used to only limited effect against the Borg in Star Trek: Destiny.
Your right I was thinking of transphasic torpedoes.
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Old June 14 2012, 09:34 AM   #363
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Does Starfleet and Klingon Defense Force still manufacture and use transphasic torpedoes since Destiny? Are they useful against groups other than the Borg? Are they the next step up from QTs?
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Old June 14 2012, 03:02 PM   #364
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If those torps were so destructive against Borg vessels, I imagine they are even more destructive against other ships.
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Old June 14 2012, 07:15 PM   #365
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I have not read all the back posts. I read a few posts about the station on the cover of Raise the Dawn. Did anyone suggest that it could be a uncloaked Typhon pact station that appears as Enterprise comes through the wormhole?
Well, that would be a really weird sequence of events, considering that the station on the cover of Raise the Dawn has the Arabic numerals for "one hundred seventy-three" on its hull, and that the ship appearing out of the Bajoran Wormhole is an Excelsior-class starship rather than a Sovereign...
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear from the design that it's a Federation station.
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Old June 14 2012, 07:24 PM   #366
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I have to say I enjoyed the book. The question I have is who who was having the Benny dream. Was it Kira or Sisko. I have to say I do like Kira as a Vedek it is a bit strange but I didn't have a problem with it. I am looking forward to the next one.
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Old June 14 2012, 07:40 PM   #367
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The Benny dream was Kira's. She received the vision then prevented Kassidy from leaving with her ship. Sisko clearly had no idea what was going on.
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Old June 14 2012, 09:11 PM   #368
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Predictions for Raise the Dawn

*New Federation space station constructed on the Gamma Quadrant side of the wormhole. This does not necessarily mean that DS9 is destroyed or unsalvagable, but that they realize it's not a good idea to be blind to what is coming from the other side. This is really only based off of the cover, that intentionally seems generally have the wormhole on the right side in the Alpha Quadrant and the station on the left, but here it is flipped.

*Elias Vaughn wakes up. It's a quick throwaway line, but Sisko briefly sees or experiences this. I wouldn't think much of it, but he also saw the Xhosa exploding, and that happened, so they seem to be visions.

in any case, I'm really excited. Very much enjoyed this book and can't wait for the 2nd half.
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Old June 14 2012, 09:35 PM   #369
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IDK, I'm expecting Vaughn to die. He is already REALLY old. There comes a time when they just need to let nature catch up to him.
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Old June 14 2012, 09:38 PM   #370
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IDK, I'm expecting Vaughn to die. He is already REALLY old. There comes a time when they just need to let nature catch up to him.
As discussed elsewhere, he's not THAT old for the Trekverse...
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Old June 14 2012, 09:39 PM   #371
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IDK, I'm expecting Vaughn to die. He is already REALLY old. There comes a time when they just need to let nature catch up to him.
I think he'll wake up. I also think his Starfleet days are over and he won't make a full recovery. A disabled character could be interesting.
Who really needs to be allowed to die is McCoy. He looked incredibly frail and retired over 20 years ago, and we're supposed to believe he is still working during the Borg cleanup? Ridiculous.
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Old June 14 2012, 10:50 PM   #372
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Who really needs to be allowed to die is McCoy. He looked incredibly frail and retired over 20 years ago, and we're supposed to believe he is still working during the Borg cleanup? Ridiculous.
Well to be fair, when McCoy appeared on TNG the writers probably had no idea how long a normal human lifespan would be by the 24th century. It wasn't until Vaughn's appearance in Treklit that it was decided.
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Old June 14 2012, 11:56 PM   #373
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No disrespect to DeForest Kelley, but McCoy looked pretty damn frail during the original run of TOS!
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Old June 15 2012, 12:14 AM   #374
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If they were doing "Admiral McCoy" onscreen NOW, he probably wouldn't look like he did.
Well, yeah. They couldn't use Deforest Kelley!
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^ Okay, okay, that's just nitpicking.
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